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		<title>By: KSA Shark</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PA.
After  your further explanations there are still only two point I don&#039;t agree on but otherwise it seems good.

And as you said this should be around a fire not around PC screen.  

Again good article with great suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PA.<br />
After  your further explanations there are still only two point I don&#8217;t agree on but otherwise it seems good.</p>
<p>And as you said this should be around a fire not around PC screen.  </p>
<p>Again good article with great suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: PissAnt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KSA,

The Breakaway...

I remember this happening issue about 2 or 3 years back, there was talk of people starting their own competition in SA (similar to CC) and they were enticing unions/clubs/players to join them.  It came to naught, the guy involved I also remember as someone that had ties with SABC, either as a commentators of guess commentator, can&#039;t remember his name though for the life of me.

The Salary Cap

This is very important for my idea to work.

This is also one area I believe we got it very wrong.

The amounts I used were thumbsuck and nothing to go on.  But I do believe it is extremely necessary.

I also believe that the European market is becoming extremely saturated, personally I am not that worried about the pull of the pound or euro.

The fact that it has to be competitive I have no doubt on, but it must be capped.

A player, if he is high profile will also now look to generate more income through sponsorships and endorsements.

A union, like any other company can also have an annual KPA where performance bonusses are paid out.  I don&#039;t see money as an option but no doubt your high flyers like Matfield, Smit, Burger, etc.  won&#039;t like taking aknock I am sure.

Union vs. Country

This to me can also be managed easily - in the initial buy-out from SARU it is part and parcel of the agreement SARU has first say over any player at any stage.

The money that player earns at his union, would then have to be paid by SARU for the time they use the players.

So there won&#039;t be a money issue to the players as they will still take home exactly the same salary and maybe even earn more per match for Super or Bok rugby.

It is extremely important SARU controls all competitions these unions are involved in, not only are SARU paying for the players if they want to pull them but the union cannot do a thing - if they defy these rules they simply get kicked out of the tournament.

In the contract the player signs with any union, there will be an &#039;across the board&#039; clause stipulating SARU has first say over them at any time.

The determination of a player’s Level

To me this can be done professionaly with the union and SARU together with an independant committee/organisation doing this.  Players performances over the whole season is taken into account and is purely performance related.

The coach from the union writes up a recomendation for all his players to either elevate or drop them, most of the time they would look to elevate them of course.  Jake and his panel does the same and so too maybe a Tim Noakes.

The results are then compared to definate criteria&#039;s set out by SARU and a result is formulated which could easily be done on a points system.

If player A for instance score 45 points and he is currently on Level C, he would be promote to level B of which the cut off point is 40 for instance.

In the same way players drop.

The Profit calc

This idea is more to serve as an encouragement than a negative.

Like I mentioned competition structures play a huge role, the VC is not good enough and in my mind never will be.

From a purely business point of view the elevation of a Matfield to Super rugby means the company/union dont have his R100K on their books for 4 months.

The money thay save on this can be used in whatever way they see fit.

If they have a good enough player like lets say Van Schouw who is only on R50K, they can either decide to bring in a new youngster for whatever amount or maybe employ a skills coach or whatever - business wise this make sense.

If the player is on a C level for instance, SARU has to buy that player for a B level price so unions are encouraged to motivate their players to always be at their best.  It serves the interest of the player to play higher levels as well as the union.

The Government

Maybe I did not explain this well enough.

I am not saying do away with quotas, rather we can use it a) to encourage unions and b) the unions which are now companies has to conform to standard BEE regulations as put in place by the government for any other company.

This means that each union must have X amount of PDI&#039;s in managerial position (coach, accountant, whatever), it must have Y amount of PDI&#039;s in development areas to become managers and it must have a total of Z amount of employees in the company (players)

The encouragement is explained in teh incentives given to a union once they un-earth a real talent like Habana, Fortuin, Floors etc as explained in the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KSA,</p>
<p>The Breakaway&#8230;</p>
<p>I remember this happening issue about 2 or 3 years back, there was talk of people starting their own competition in SA (similar to CC) and they were enticing unions/clubs/players to join them.  It came to naught, the guy involved I also remember as someone that had ties with SABC, either as a commentators of guess commentator, can&#8217;t remember his name though for the life of me.</p>
<p>The Salary Cap</p>
<p>This is very important for my idea to work.</p>
<p>This is also one area I believe we got it very wrong.</p>
<p>The amounts I used were thumbsuck and nothing to go on.  But I do believe it is extremely necessary.</p>
<p>I also believe that the European market is becoming extremely saturated, personally I am not that worried about the pull of the pound or euro.</p>
<p>The fact that it has to be competitive I have no doubt on, but it must be capped.</p>
<p>A player, if he is high profile will also now look to generate more income through sponsorships and endorsements.</p>
<p>A union, like any other company can also have an annual KPA where performance bonusses are paid out.  I don&#8217;t see money as an option but no doubt your high flyers like Matfield, Smit, Burger, etc.  won&#8217;t like taking aknock I am sure.</p>
<p>Union vs. Country</p>
<p>This to me can also be managed easily &#8211; in the initial buy-out from SARU it is part and parcel of the agreement SARU has first say over any player at any stage.</p>
<p>The money that player earns at his union, would then have to be paid by SARU for the time they use the players.</p>
<p>So there won&#8217;t be a money issue to the players as they will still take home exactly the same salary and maybe even earn more per match for Super or Bok rugby.</p>
<p>It is extremely important SARU controls all competitions these unions are involved in, not only are SARU paying for the players if they want to pull them but the union cannot do a thing &#8211; if they defy these rules they simply get kicked out of the tournament.</p>
<p>In the contract the player signs with any union, there will be an &#8216;across the board&#8217; clause stipulating SARU has first say over them at any time.</p>
<p>The determination of a player’s Level</p>
<p>To me this can be done professionaly with the union and SARU together with an independant committee/organisation doing this.  Players performances over the whole season is taken into account and is purely performance related.</p>
<p>The coach from the union writes up a recomendation for all his players to either elevate or drop them, most of the time they would look to elevate them of course.  Jake and his panel does the same and so too maybe a Tim Noakes.</p>
<p>The results are then compared to definate criteria&#8217;s set out by SARU and a result is formulated which could easily be done on a points system.</p>
<p>If player A for instance score 45 points and he is currently on Level C, he would be promote to level B of which the cut off point is 40 for instance.</p>
<p>In the same way players drop.</p>
<p>The Profit calc</p>
<p>This idea is more to serve as an encouragement than a negative.</p>
<p>Like I mentioned competition structures play a huge role, the VC is not good enough and in my mind never will be.</p>
<p>From a purely business point of view the elevation of a Matfield to Super rugby means the company/union dont have his R100K on their books for 4 months.</p>
<p>The money thay save on this can be used in whatever way they see fit.</p>
<p>If they have a good enough player like lets say Van Schouw who is only on R50K, they can either decide to bring in a new youngster for whatever amount or maybe employ a skills coach or whatever &#8211; business wise this make sense.</p>
<p>If the player is on a C level for instance, SARU has to buy that player for a B level price so unions are encouraged to motivate their players to always be at their best.  It serves the interest of the player to play higher levels as well as the union.</p>
<p>The Government</p>
<p>Maybe I did not explain this well enough.</p>
<p>I am not saying do away with quotas, rather we can use it a) to encourage unions and b) the unions which are now companies has to conform to standard BEE regulations as put in place by the government for any other company.</p>
<p>This means that each union must have X amount of PDI&#8217;s in managerial position (coach, accountant, whatever), it must have Y amount of PDI&#8217;s in development areas to become managers and it must have a total of Z amount of employees in the company (players)</p>
<p>The encouragement is explained in teh incentives given to a union once they un-earth a real talent like Habana, Fortuin, Floors etc as explained in the article.</p>
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		<title>By: PissAnt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks OO,

KSA,

Thanks for the comments, give me some time and I will answer some of the issues you raised.

Something like this is an hour discussion amongst friends around a braai, let alone trying to publish it as an article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks OO,</p>
<p>KSA,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments, give me some time and I will answer some of the issues you raised.</p>
<p>Something like this is an hour discussion amongst friends around a braai, let alone trying to publish it as an article!</p>
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		<title>By: Oranje Orakel</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting arti PA

Lot of interesting comments as well

What is the fans stake on the Soccer teams being owned by individuals - are they that satisfied?  or are they just better organised by staying away when they are unhappy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting arti PA</p>
<p>Lot of interesting comments as well</p>
<p>What is the fans stake on the Soccer teams being owned by individuals &#8211; are they that satisfied?  or are they just better organised by staying away when they are unhappy?</p>
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		<title>By: KSA Shark</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shields</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blueprints are pointless at this juncture. What we need is to get the fans to have a bigger say in how rugby is run. The only way we can do that is to not support what is served to us (supply and demand).

Lets get one news organisation (iol our best bet) to support us in organising a stay away from a test and you will quickly see change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blueprints are pointless at this juncture. What we need is to get the fans to have a bigger say in how rugby is run. The only way we can do that is to not support what is served to us (supply and demand).</p>
<p>Lets get one news organisation (iol our best bet) to support us in organising a stay away from a test and you will quickly see change.</p>
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		<title>By: Duiwel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.
Why don&#039;t we go one step further and
look closely at the financial remunirations
and the directional flow of money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.<br />
Why don&#8217;t we go one step further and<br />
look closely at the financial remunirations<br />
and the directional flow of money?</p>
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		<title>By: KSA Shark</title>
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		<dc:creator>KSA Shark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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I think I am losing it after staring at the screen for so long ......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post # 32123 was MIIIIIINNNNNNEEEEEE!!!!!!!</p>
<p>I think I am losing it after staring at the screen for so long &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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