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		<title>By: fyndraai</title>
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		<dc:creator>fyndraai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In war many soldiers do in fact break down. They often die. The losers die en mass. Many of the winners die.
In sport we try to avoid all the dying. 
All this talk about dying for the jersey is just hogwash anyway. Players play for the glory and the money (even in the amateur days).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In war many soldiers do in fact break down. They often die. The losers die en mass. Many of the winners die.<br />
In sport we try to avoid all the dying.<br />
All this talk about dying for the jersey is just hogwash anyway. Players play for the glory and the money (even in the amateur days).</p>
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		<title>By: Boertjie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boertjie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-419371&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DavidS @ 10:38 pm&lt;/a&gt;: 

So why do athletes &quot;peak&quot; in
their seasons and select their
races when they can make more
money by running more frequently?

Why do marathoners run only 2-3
or at the most 4 per season?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to <a href="#comment-419371" rel="nofollow">DavidS @ 10:38 pm</a>: </p>
<p>So why do athletes &#8220;peak&#8221; in<br />
their seasons and select their<br />
races when they can make more<br />
money by running more frequently?</p>
<p>Why do marathoners run only 2-3<br />
or at the most 4 per season?</p>
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		<title>By: DavidS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact

He are a big poephol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact</p>
<p>He are a big poephol</p>
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		<title>By: DavidS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deon

Morne does not understand the war analogy because he never was a soldier, but you see I think if you look at soldiers in say WW1 and WW2 and the Korean war as examples it is clear they disprove Noakes general theorem.

Soldiers in say the Burma jungle were at war in the jungle with the japanese FOR THEIR LIVES from 1941 to 1945 - four years. The Chindit Corps consisted of Aussie, English and Kiwi soldiers who had to march through the jungles with their heavy packs (sure not contact sports with the Japanese all the time) to carry food and weapons and ammunition. At Impal though the Allied soldiers fought for over 180 days against a Japanese siege  and that was under constant enemy fire, and artillery and snipers and no reinforcements and they were at times fighting hand to hand with the japanese.

Those soldiers were tough as anything.

Of course the jungle had a zillion ways to kill you too... and in a war theatre wehere there simply WAS NO HOSPITAL any injury was a killer.

So

1. You carry a 40kg+ pack
2. Fresh CLEAN water a luxury
3. Your environment can kill you (malaria, snakes, bilharzia, tigers)
4. Guys are in the jungle around you trying to kill you 24/7
5. You have to carry your own gun.
6. You have access to minimal medical treatment
7. Your food is all processed and canned

And this is 24/7 for six months.

Now

In these circumstances you have to survive.

And most soldiers did survive.

Yes you could say it was only six months in this particular battle but consider the mental and physical stresses that these soldiers were under. They far outweigh ANY stresses you can put a professional rugby player under.

Once the siege was broken the soldiers were withdrawn to India and without rest IMMEDIATELY placed into a battle with the japanese for another desperate struggle at Kohima (the Stalingrad of the jungle)...

Think now that these soldiers were under these stresses 24/7 for close on four years, not to mention that their fellow comrades (team mates in your parlance) were REALLY dying all round them.

Yet they managed to get the mental wherewithal to survive.

Same with troops who fought in WW1 for four years in muddy dugouts...

Imagine that...

You can&#039;t

You think professional sport is the ultimate extent of physical exertion....

That was the intention of using the military allegory to show that soldiers under worse physical and mental stresses than pro rugby players can ever be manage to retain their mental and physical sharpness for four consecutive years....

Proving Noakes is a poophole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deon</p>
<p>Morne does not understand the war analogy because he never was a soldier, but you see I think if you look at soldiers in say WW1 and WW2 and the Korean war as examples it is clear they disprove Noakes general theorem.</p>
<p>Soldiers in say the Burma jungle were at war in the jungle with the japanese FOR THEIR LIVES from 1941 to 1945 &#8211; four years. The Chindit Corps consisted of Aussie, English and Kiwi soldiers who had to march through the jungles with their heavy packs (sure not contact sports with the Japanese all the time) to carry food and weapons and ammunition. At Impal though the Allied soldiers fought for over 180 days against a Japanese siege  and that was under constant enemy fire, and artillery and snipers and no reinforcements and they were at times fighting hand to hand with the japanese.</p>
<p>Those soldiers were tough as anything.</p>
<p>Of course the jungle had a zillion ways to kill you too&#8230; and in a war theatre wehere there simply WAS NO HOSPITAL any injury was a killer.</p>
<p>So</p>
<p>1. You carry a 40kg+ pack<br />
2. Fresh CLEAN water a luxury<br />
3. Your environment can kill you (malaria, snakes, bilharzia, tigers)<br />
4. Guys are in the jungle around you trying to kill you 24/7<br />
5. You have to carry your own gun.<br />
6. You have access to minimal medical treatment<br />
7. Your food is all processed and canned</p>
<p>And this is 24/7 for six months.</p>
<p>Now</p>
<p>In these circumstances you have to survive.</p>
<p>And most soldiers did survive.</p>
<p>Yes you could say it was only six months in this particular battle but consider the mental and physical stresses that these soldiers were under. They far outweigh ANY stresses you can put a professional rugby player under.</p>
<p>Once the siege was broken the soldiers were withdrawn to India and without rest IMMEDIATELY placed into a battle with the japanese for another desperate struggle at Kohima (the Stalingrad of the jungle)&#8230;</p>
<p>Think now that these soldiers were under these stresses 24/7 for close on four years, not to mention that their fellow comrades (team mates in your parlance) were REALLY dying all round them.</p>
<p>Yet they managed to get the mental wherewithal to survive.</p>
<p>Same with troops who fought in WW1 for four years in muddy dugouts&#8230;</p>
<p>Imagine that&#8230;</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t</p>
<p>You think professional sport is the ultimate extent of physical exertion&#8230;.</p>
<p>That was the intention of using the military allegory to show that soldiers under worse physical and mental stresses than pro rugby players can ever be manage to retain their mental and physical sharpness for four consecutive years&#8230;.</p>
<p>Proving Noakes is a poophole</p>
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		<title>By: bryce_in_oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryce_in_oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but all the reports stated that the Boks that played there were far from out on their feet.&quot;

Nup... they were stuffed after 60mins in both their openers and that at the start of the test season... only a great JF try and Morne Steyn saved the series...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but all the reports stated that the Boks that played there were far from out on their feet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nup&#8230; they were stuffed after 60mins in both their openers and that at the start of the test season&#8230; only a great JF try and Morne Steyn saved the series&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Deon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that I in a sense agree with David here.  If one test the theories of Noakes on history like wars, it fails miserably.

IMO the tiredness is not due to physical aspects (if accepted that the players are as fit as they should be), but rather on the mental side.  BUT also not mental tiredness, but rather lack of conviction.

In wars soldiers could go for days with minimum sleep and still be able to win a battle.  Why?  Because they had conviction and believed in what they where fighting for. Also there is that little thing called adrenaline.  That wonderful drug that can make a person do things he is otherwise not capable of.  

I couldn&#039;t see the Barbarians game as Foxtel fucked up my reconnection after I moved, but all the reports stated that the Boks that played there were far from out on their feet.  Why?  Because they believed in the tradition they were partaking in?  Because they know the traditional Barbarian rugby is very much close the the heart of what rugby was meant to be?

These are questions that sprang to mind as I read the comments.

As for Noakes&#039; theories, I don&#039;t support them, but I sure as hell cannot discount them as a load of bullshit.  &quot;Certainty is a very big word for scientist&quot;  There is a lot of truth in that statement.  

I think that maybe the scientist should rather focus on how the above mentioned questions influence the rugby players today.  Do the players still feel they would die for that jersey they pull on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that I in a sense agree with David here.  If one test the theories of Noakes on history like wars, it fails miserably.</p>
<p>IMO the tiredness is not due to physical aspects (if accepted that the players are as fit as they should be), but rather on the mental side.  BUT also not mental tiredness, but rather lack of conviction.</p>
<p>In wars soldiers could go for days with minimum sleep and still be able to win a battle.  Why?  Because they had conviction and believed in what they where fighting for. Also there is that little thing called adrenaline.  That wonderful drug that can make a person do things he is otherwise not capable of.  </p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t see the Barbarians game as Foxtel fucked up my reconnection after I moved, but all the reports stated that the Boks that played there were far from out on their feet.  Why?  Because they believed in the tradition they were partaking in?  Because they know the traditional Barbarian rugby is very much close the the heart of what rugby was meant to be?</p>
<p>These are questions that sprang to mind as I read the comments.</p>
<p>As for Noakes&#8217; theories, I don&#8217;t support them, but I sure as hell cannot discount them as a load of bullshit.  &#8220;Certainty is a very big word for scientist&#8221;  There is a lot of truth in that statement.  </p>
<p>I think that maybe the scientist should rather focus on how the above mentioned questions influence the rugby players today.  Do the players still feel they would die for that jersey they pull on?</p>
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		<title>By: DavidS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Morne I simply don&#039;t get you...

I think your short term memory has been  wrecked.

First after I throw fellow scholars out who say Noakes is talking kak you react in what I call the &quot;libtard response&quot;

It is basically an adoption of the 1984 (the book by that title not the number, maybe if you read it you will wake up but I doubt it) response to an unanswerable debate point. In 1984 you get the proles to yell &quot;Four legs good two legs bad!&quot; until opponents are silenced.

In the modern sense you ignore the research by scientists that your opponent quotes, because that would mean you have to sdmit your hero&#039;s dick is not as big as you think it is...

Hence

Attack and insult your opponent directly. If you can, hang a label on him, like &quot;East Rand Thug&quot; or the like.. it&#039;s the same as &quot;facist&quot;, &quot;racist&quot;, &quot;Conservative&quot;... and the rest 

Anyway I find it smugly brilliant to see you yet again stoop to the libtard debate and then in yor next post admit to someone that Noakes&#039; science is just theoretical.

Thanks for proving me right yet again...

Maybe drop the booze for a while and let the old brain cells recover some of tat memory loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Morne I simply don&#8217;t get you&#8230;</p>
<p>I think your short term memory has been  wrecked.</p>
<p>First after I throw fellow scholars out who say Noakes is talking kak you react in what I call the &#8220;libtard response&#8221;</p>
<p>It is basically an adoption of the 1984 (the book by that title not the number, maybe if you read it you will wake up but I doubt it) response to an unanswerable debate point. In 1984 you get the proles to yell &#8220;Four legs good two legs bad!&#8221; until opponents are silenced.</p>
<p>In the modern sense you ignore the research by scientists that your opponent quotes, because that would mean you have to sdmit your hero&#8217;s dick is not as big as you think it is&#8230;</p>
<p>Hence</p>
<p>Attack and insult your opponent directly. If you can, hang a label on him, like &#8220;East Rand Thug&#8221; or the like.. it&#8217;s the same as &#8220;facist&#8221;, &#8220;racist&#8221;, &#8220;Conservative&#8221;&#8230; and the rest </p>
<p>Anyway I find it smugly brilliant to see you yet again stoop to the libtard debate and then in yor next post admit to someone that Noakes&#8217; science is just theoretical.</p>
<p>Thanks for proving me right yet again&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe drop the booze for a while and let the old brain cells recover some of tat memory loss.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-419312&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JT @ 10:10 pm&lt;/a&gt;: 

sorry got it mixed up - Mitchell beat and drew to Lopez!
:respek:  :respek:  :respek: 

Here is Mitchells record and data:
boxer: Brian Mitchell
Global ID	3842
sex	male
birth date	1961-08-30
division	super featherweight
height	5′ 6½″   /   169cm
nationality 	South Africa
residence	Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa
birth place	Johannesburg, GT, South Africa
won 45 (KO 21) + lost 1 (KO 0) + drawn 3 = 49
rounds boxed 395 KO% 42.86 

Great record! 49 fights with only 1 loss! :respek:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to <a href="#comment-419312" rel="nofollow">JT @ 10:10 pm</a>: </p>
<p>sorry got it mixed up &#8211; Mitchell beat and drew to Lopez!<br />
 <img src='http://www.ruggaworld.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/graemlins/respek.gif' alt=':respek:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.ruggaworld.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/graemlins/respek.gif' alt=':respek:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.ruggaworld.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/graemlins/respek.gif' alt=':respek:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here is Mitchells record and data:<br />
boxer: Brian Mitchell<br />
Global ID	3842<br />
sex	male<br />
birth date	1961-08-30<br />
division	super featherweight<br />
height	5′ 6½″   /   169cm<br />
nationality 	South Africa<br />
residence	Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa<br />
birth place	Johannesburg, GT, South Africa<br />
won 45 (KO 21) + lost 1 (KO 0) + drawn 3 = 49<br />
rounds boxed 395 KO% 42.86 </p>
<p>Great record! 49 fights with only 1 loss! <img src='http://www.ruggaworld.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/graemlins/respek.gif' alt=':respek:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-419310&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JT @ 10:07 pm&lt;/a&gt;: 

interesting is that Mitchell drew and lost to Lopez before Thobela did the job on him! :respek:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to <a href="#comment-419310" rel="nofollow">JT @ 10:07 pm</a>: </p>
<p>interesting is that Mitchell drew and lost to Lopez before Thobela did the job on him! <img src='http://www.ruggaworld.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/graemlins/respek.gif' alt=':respek:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 20:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: Happy new year everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: Happy new year everyone!</p>
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