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		<title>By: Duiwel</title>
		<link>http://www.ruggaworld.com/2010/01/20/legal-battle-looms-between-sharks-and-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-421229</link>
		<dc:creator>Duiwel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They shouldn&#039;t get involved.Point.
as far as their statements which appear in
this article,i find their decision,mature
and sound.
The Sharks and the Lions need to sort
their shit out
without running to the union
to pick a side
and cost.
Both are succesfull Clubs,
both have a certain point.
Thats what laywers,courts,contracts
agents and the professional game 
is all about.
Both have a point.
Go to court.
Put up or shut up
and get on with it.
south africa is not in a dictatorship 
yet,
where clubs don&#039;t run their business yet
but expect saru to hop
everytime they cannot think
before signing
moving,
playing
or just behaving like two brats.
In fact,SARU should fine both clubs
for contractual miss-management
and have the clubs pay the players
for wasting their time.
The players should have a word with
their agents
for getting involved in this mess.
This bullshit is typical,unprofessional
south african behaviour.
IT riducules our whole
integrity
as a professional rugby nation.
The tvl and natal management structure
allowing such a situation to develop.
Nog n boepens poepol met brannewyn
whose ambition exceeds his ability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They shouldn&#8217;t get involved.Point.<br />
as far as their statements which appear in<br />
this article,i find their decision,mature<br />
and sound.<br />
The Sharks and the Lions need to sort<br />
their shit out<br />
without running to the union<br />
to pick a side<br />
and cost.<br />
Both are succesfull Clubs,<br />
both have a certain point.<br />
Thats what laywers,courts,contracts<br />
agents and the professional game<br />
is all about.<br />
Both have a point.<br />
Go to court.<br />
Put up or shut up<br />
and get on with it.<br />
south africa is not in a dictatorship<br />
yet,<br />
where clubs don&#8217;t run their business yet<br />
but expect saru to hop<br />
everytime they cannot think<br />
before signing<br />
moving,<br />
playing<br />
or just behaving like two brats.<br />
In fact,SARU should fine both clubs<br />
for contractual miss-management<br />
and have the clubs pay the players<br />
for wasting their time.<br />
The players should have a word with<br />
their agents<br />
for getting involved in this mess.<br />
This bullshit is typical,unprofessional<br />
south african behaviour.<br />
IT riducules our whole<br />
integrity<br />
as a professional rugby nation.<br />
The tvl and natal management structure<br />
allowing such a situation to develop.<br />
Nog n boepens poepol met brannewyn<br />
whose ambition exceeds his ability.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Sharks management, with lawyer Frikkie Erasmus acting on their behalf, remain adamant that the pair don’t have legal and binding contracts with the GLRU and, having already joined the Durban-based franchise, are allowed to play for them.&lt;/i&gt;


Geez surely this character is in breach of some sort of conflict of interest codes?

He has represented SARU, the SA Players Union, WP, Stormers, Sharks, individual players you name it...

He&#039;s like a yellow pistule that won&#039;t go away...

The fact that there can be such wrangles over contracts tells me that the standard SARU / SARPA player contract (including the arbitration one with Jacques Fourie) are not up too scratch and it is highly prejudicial that the Lions should suffer for this...

In fact SARU SHOULD start laying down damn ethics rules about contracting players and perhaps banish this mercenary Frikkie Erasmus to somewhere that lawyers are welcome...


Like a Hatian prison cell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Sharks management, with lawyer Frikkie Erasmus acting on their behalf, remain adamant that the pair don’t have legal and binding contracts with the GLRU and, having already joined the Durban-based franchise, are allowed to play for them.</i></p>
<p>Geez surely this character is in breach of some sort of conflict of interest codes?</p>
<p>He has represented SARU, the SA Players Union, WP, Stormers, Sharks, individual players you name it&#8230;</p>
<p>He&#8217;s like a yellow pistule that won&#8217;t go away&#8230;</p>
<p>The fact that there can be such wrangles over contracts tells me that the standard SARU / SARPA player contract (including the arbitration one with Jacques Fourie) are not up too scratch and it is highly prejudicial that the Lions should suffer for this&#8230;</p>
<p>In fact SARU SHOULD start laying down damn ethics rules about contracting players and perhaps banish this mercenary Frikkie Erasmus to somewhere that lawyers are welcome&#8230;</p>
<p>Like a Hatian prison cell</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques(Bunny)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques(Bunny)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-421017&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Brand @ 11:01 am&lt;/a&gt;: :pity:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to <a href="#comment-421017" rel="nofollow">The Brand @ 11:01 am</a>: <img src='http://www.ruggaworld.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/graemlins/pity.gif' alt=':pity:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Brand</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-421014&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jacques(Bunny) @ 10:21 am&lt;/a&gt;: 

and lawyers you can not trust.  :evil: :realangry: : bigfinger:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to <a href="#comment-421014" rel="nofollow">Jacques(Bunny) @ 10:21 am</a>: </p>
<p>and lawyers you can not trust.  <img src='http://www.ruggaworld.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/graemlins/icon_evil.gif' alt=':evil:' class='wp-smiley' /> <img src='http://www.ruggaworld.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/graemlins/STORMING MAD.gif' alt=':realangry:' class='wp-smiley' /> <img src='http://www.ruggaworld.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/graemlins/bigfinger.gif' alt=': bigfinger:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jacques(Bunny)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques(Bunny)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-421011&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deon @ 10:09 am&lt;/a&gt;: That is the statement from the lawyer, and lawyers you can not trust. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to <a href="#comment-421011" rel="nofollow">Deon @ 10:09 am</a>: That is the statement from the lawyer, and lawyers you can not trust. <img src='http://www.ruggaworld.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/graemlins/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Deon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a report where it was stated that they can.  Will try to find it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a report where it was stated that they can.  Will try to find it</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques(Bunny)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacques(Bunny)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-421006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deon @ 10:00 am&lt;/a&gt;: 
&quot;Ferreira also confirmed that the Sharks may not play the two players, as that would be in breach of SARU regulations&quot;
-----------------------------------------
Players in SA firstly falls under the SARFU regulations and then under the competitions rules. If SARFU regulations stipulate one thing and the competition another, you follow the Home Unions rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to <a href="#comment-421006" rel="nofollow">Deon @ 10:00 am</a>:<br />
&#8220;Ferreira also confirmed that the Sharks may not play the two players, as that would be in breach of SARU regulations&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Players in SA firstly falls under the SARFU regulations and then under the competitions rules. If SARFU regulations stipulate one thing and the competition another, you follow the Home Unions rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Morné</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morné</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-421006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deon @ 10:00 am&lt;/a&gt;: 

&lt;em&gt;Ferreira also confirmed that the Sharks may not play the two players, as that would be in breach of SARU regulations, although there is a grey area that allows them to train with the Sharks.

“The regulations make clear reference to them not being allowed to ‘play’ in any match – including pre-season fixtures and tournaments outside the formal structures,” Ferreira said.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to <a href="#comment-421006" rel="nofollow">Deon @ 10:00 am</a>: </p>
<p><em>Ferreira also confirmed that the Sharks may not play the two players, as that would be in breach of SARU regulations, although there is a grey area that allows them to train with the Sharks.</p>
<p>“The regulations make clear reference to them not being allowed to ‘play’ in any match – including pre-season fixtures and tournaments outside the formal structures,” Ferreira said.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Deon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-421005&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Morné @ 9:55 am&lt;/a&gt;: 

Because the Super 14 is not a competition under their regulations.  Under the SANZAR regulations, players can play for other franchises.  That is how the draft system works in NZ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to <a href="#comment-421005" rel="nofollow">Morné @ 9:55 am</a>: </p>
<p>Because the Super 14 is not a competition under their regulations.  Under the SANZAR regulations, players can play for other franchises.  That is how the draft system works in NZ.</p>
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		<title>By: Morné</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morné</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply to &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-421001&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PietPloos @ 9:24 am&lt;/a&gt;: 

Yeah...

I mean this dispute comes back to regulations SARU has in place (for whom Ferreira is the legal representative) wrt the certificates.

Yet, they won&#039;t get involved.

Fuck me how incompetent can one get?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply to <a href="#comment-421001" rel="nofollow">PietPloos @ 9:24 am</a>: </p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;</p>
<p>I mean this dispute comes back to regulations SARU has in place (for whom Ferreira is the legal representative) wrt the certificates.</p>
<p>Yet, they won&#8217;t get involved.</p>
<p>Fuck me how incompetent can one get?</p>
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