The All Blacks have been given 100,000 good reasons to become the first New Zealand side to lift the Webb Ellis Trophy in 24 years.
Dylan Cleaver, NZ Herald
NZ $1 = ZA R5,34
The Collective Agreement between the New Zealand Rugby Union and the Players’ Association, which was formally ratified yesterday, sets in stone a payment of $100,000 to each member of the All Blacks squad should they win next year’s showpiece event.
Should they make the final at Eden Park and lose, they will receive $35,000 each. Just to prove there’s no such thing as a bronze medal in rugby, anything less than second equals $0.
Players’ Association manager Rob Nichol, who negotiated the terms with the NZRU, said the figure did not deviate from the past two world cups.
“We went through a robust process in 2003 and came out with a good outcome,” Mr Nichol said. “We saw no reason to change.”
The World Cup bonus is not the only win for the players in the agreement, which runs through to the end of 2012. Players will now receive $1000 a day to take part in commercial photo shoots, filming or recording sessions.
A clause in the agreement states that the NZRU cannot assign the players’ image rights to Rugby World Cup Ltd, meaning the company will be forced to negotiate the release of those rights with the players themselves.
If that sounds like brinkmanship, Mr Nichol said there was no chance the All Blacks would not take the field at the New Zealand-hosted event – the International Rugby Players’ Association and Rugby World Cup Ltd had entered similar discussions before the 2007 event and had resolved them.
July 1st, 2010 at 10:30 pm
STUFF.NZ:
Mils Muliaina brushed aside the relevance of the All Blacks’ $100,000 World Cup-winning bonus, saying the players needed to claim the trophy for the country rather than themselves.
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OK, then donate the money
to welfare.
July 2nd, 2010 at 4:22 am
Reply to Boertjie @ 10:30 pm:
Great idea.
My real name is W.E. L’Fare.
July 2nd, 2010 at 4:24 am
I another development an unidentified source at the NZRU has revealed to SNUFF.NZ that they are confident their money is safe.
July 2nd, 2010 at 4:51 am
Players’ Association manager Rob Nichol, has denied reports that he has been negotiating terms with his counterpart in France that involves a NZ$50000 per French player payment.
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:01 am
A STUFF.IT.NZ investigation has revealed allegations that the NZRU in 2007 made secret payments to England referee Wayne Barnes.
July 2nd, 2010 at 5:08 am
See. Rugby and conspiracies goes hand in hand.
July 2nd, 2010 at 8:23 am
Where can I bet that NZ WILL NOT win the WC? I will put some money on that!
July 2nd, 2010 at 8:34 am
Off topic, but I hijacked this Q&A from the SARU website
Question:Please let us know when you will (put) the petty personal issues aside and select the best fullback talent we have had in years. Frans (Steyn) is the most talented player since Naas Botha, but you let your personal feelings get in the way of us winning the 3N and the WC. You are supposedly to be objective, clearly not. Dawid Louw
Peter replies: Dawid, I am glad you asked that question. Thanks to Steven Hapelt, Gerrit Conradie, Mandy Kotze, Simon Clements and Jacques Harmse too for asking about Frans. There are no problems between Frans and I and I certainly do not have “petty” issues with him. I will never deny any player the opportunity of playing for his country. The truth is that Frans was only available for the Wales Test. Further discussion is needed with his club and agent about future availability and this is being dealt with presently. You have fallen for the perception created in the media that there may be issues between myself and the player which is untrue.
So it seems that FS is not available because of club commitments
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:32 am
Reply to Ollie @ 8:34 am: Ja, I don’t think he has that ‘get-out clause’ in his contract like Butch which would allow him to be picked regardless.
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
Reply to Ollie @ 8:34 am: But then again it could just be ‘double-speak’ from PdV. You know, he’s mos an idiot. Can’t be trusted. Most probably in cahoots with the Cape rugby mafia.
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:40 am
Reply to manvanstaal @ 9:34 am:
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:52 am
Reply to Ollie @ 8:34 am:
hmmm interesting – media perception at it again, I always thought the media was unbiased and told the whole truth but maybe I was naive…
Hope this answers Dawies question and puts the debate to rest
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:54 am
Reply to JT @ 9:52 am:
Well it is only one side of the story at the moment.
That said, there has been no denial from FS …. yet.
July 2nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
Reply to Ollie @ 9:54 am:
but all the hooohaaa about why FS has been left out of the 3N squad and out of the Italy tests… Agent is behind it!
BUT according to IRB regulations the tests played in the “intl. window” the clubs have no say over the players that means the player himself or in this case his mouthpiece has withdrawn from the other tests.
Anyone know if the “window” includes the 3N tests?
July 2nd, 2010 at 10:09 am
Reply to JT @ 9:58 am:
Regulation 9 will only apply to the following:
Release for Designated Events
Rugby World Cup and Qualification
Rugby World Cup Sevens
British & Irish Lions Tour
Olympic Rugby Tournament and Qualification
Global release periods
June international window – the right to release for the senior national representative team, the next senior national representative team and the Under 20 national representative team. Three matches played in June.
November international window – the right to release for the senior national representative team, the next senior national representative team and the Under 20 national representative team. Three matches played in November.
There are no Global Release Periods in a Rugby World Cup year.
Hemisphere Release Periods
Annual release period for Northern Hemisphere eligible players:
Five weeks (matches) out of the seven weeks from the first weekend of February to the third weekend of March for the senior national representative team, the next senior national representative team and the Under 20 national representative team.
Annual release period for Southern Hemisphere eligible players:
Six weeks (matches) out of the nine weeks from July 1 to August 31 for the senior national representative team, the next senior national representative team and the Under 20 national representative team.
July 2nd, 2010 at 10:21 am
Reply to manvanstaal @ 10:09 am:
cheers – so not much SARU/PdV can do about that.
July 2nd, 2010 at 10:54 am
Interesting statement from
a guy who knows his rugby:
“The Boks winning 3N 2010 is
a sure way of them losing
WC 2011.”
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:01 am
Reply to Boertjie @ 10:54 am:
just because that happens to NZ every WC does not mean the same will happen to SA
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:03 am
Reply to JT @ 11:01 am:
I’ll pass that on to him.
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:03 am
Ollie
If you return to the Tina thread and read carefully you will note that the involvement of the aent is exactly what I suggested as the reason for Steyn being left out. In fact I sketched a scenario.
I’ll repeat it.
Say you’re an failed lawyer with one star player you are aent to and you place him with a French club willing to spend big dollars on a star player as they try to get Heineken Cup qualification.
Now remember in France a player MUST take a compulsory five week break from rugby.
And say this player’s nation asks him to play for them in Tri Nations… which falls within your club’s break… which means he is away till what… end September… and then he returns and MUST take that five week break so you get him back and then his team arrives for the northern hemisphere tours (and his team has a grand slam tour)… so provided he does not get injured you only get your top paid player and southern hemisphere phenom back in December 2010 …. exactly how do you react to that…
You tell the aent you want to renegotiate his commission …. you know the commission he is counting on… has maybe already spent…. and the agent… well his got a player who is not so bright as a client… and he tells the player the player’s salary is under threat… and the agent will sort it out…
Now what do you as an agent do?
It was not me who suggested a plot from the WP to keep Frans Steyn out of the team…
But as JT alluded to in a sidelong view…
What exactly would the coach say on the SAU blog…
Ja I hate that little f—ker and hope he chokes on his Racing jersey with his agent… he’ll never play for the Boks again…
ps. The coats does not draft those answers BTW….SARU communications does….
I trust that you are aware how most large corporates work… for instance when the country’s president or a famous movie star has a blog he does not really type the answers… they have publicists and communication experts who communicate… I’m sure that the erudite, intelligent and well crafted ENGLISH answer is surely a very good indicatiion that PdV was not the one who wrote that answer…
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:08 am
Reply to Boertjie @ 10:54 am:
It happened to us in 1999 too
And to Australia in 2002
Just a thought…
Reply to JT @ 10:21 am:
Hmmmm… this seems to indicate there is something to be done…. so who’s lying… the quiet player or the SARU communications people
Yet again
Just a thought
Annual release period for Southern Hemisphere eligible players:
Six weeks (matches) out of the nine weeks from July 1 to August 31 for the senior national representative team, the next senior national representative team and the Under 20 national representative team.
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:12 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:08 am:
Does that law/rule mean eligible players playing in the SH or does that mean players eligible for SH national sides?
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:14 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:03 am:
That is ONE scenario you paint, there are probably many more possibilities. I am only interested in what is actually said and done.
Yes, I am aware that there is a media person writing those answers, but I also presume that it is an extension of what PDV says/thinks
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:21 am
It means players eligible to play in the SH can be released during this period to play for their national team.
legalese but clearly aimed at players being released to play in the Tri-Nations.
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 am
Reply to Ollie @ 11:14 am:
I could answer about face value acceptance of things but intentionally I will now choose not to discuss further.
It is pointless.
You and I are too far apart on this issue (and others) to ever have a reasonable and rational discussion.
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:21 am:
however only for these events:
Regulation 9 will only apply to the following:
Release for Designated Events
Rugby World Cup and Qualification
Rugby World Cup Sevens
British & Irish Lions Tour
Olympic Rugby Tournament and Qualification
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:23 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:21 am:
ps. also their age group national teams
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:24 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:21 am:
So TRI Nations not included!!
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:30 am
No JT read the whole thing here
http://www.irb.com/mm/document/lawsregs/regulations/04/23/27/42327_pdf.pdf
Reg 9 applies as follows
9.6 – the designated events
AND
9.7 – Global release periods
AND
9.8 – Hemispherical release periods
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:33 am
Hmmm
Seems the right of relase is only for twelve matches per year…
Reg 9.11
(b) For Southern Hemisphere Unions these 12 occasions will be taken
as follows:
(i) 3 Matches in the June Global Release Period.
(ii) 3 Matches in the November Global Release Period.
(iii) 6 Matches during the Southern Hemisphere Release Period.
So if Fransie were available it’d be for six matches
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:33 am
Reply to JT @ 11:24 am:
So WRONG JT
Tri-Nations absolutely included
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:34 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:30 am:
all lawyer speak –
Can we then try and get to the bottom of this? Is FS available or NOT? Is the Agent or the player or the club the problem? Looks like it is either the Player or the Agent.
Did the Player/Agent asked not to be selected because he needs a rest or has PdV said – have a rest because you are not up to it at the moment!?
Will he be involved in the EOYT? Is the release window ok for that tour?
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:34 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:30 am:
How does the fact that the last Bok game in the 3N is played in September (outside the window) affect the players that are eligible for the squad.
Does the initial squad chosen have to include players that are eligible for the entire duration?
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:35 am
Sorry just to back that up
When the Right to Release applies
9.5 The Right to Release for Matches shall apply to Designated Release
Events, Global Release Periods, Hemisphere Release Periods and from
June 1, 2012 to the Four Nations Release Period.
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:36 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:33 am:
why only 6?
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:38 am
Reply to Ollie @ 11:34 am:
that could cause all sorts of problems for the Argies who have MOST of their players in the NH!
That will also mean these guys will be tired after a long NH season and then have to play 3N!?
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:38 am
Hmmmm
Suddenly one has to start REALLY wondering what is up with the Frans Steyn issue…
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:40 am
Reply to JT @ 11:36 am:
Hey I have no idea bro…
Ask them…
maybe because the Tri-Nations is six games per side…
Okay so we’ve established the SARU spin doctors are lying about Francois Steyn being released
We’ve established that his club cannot hold onto him…
What now?
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:40 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:38 am:
who can we contact at SARU to find out – the PdV explanation does not seem to hold any water BUT he did not say WHY FS was only available for the Welsh test. Is this from the player/Agent side? and if so that means FS really does not want to play for SA!?
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:40 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:40 am:
Just to add
The NH applicable regulation limits nations to eleven releases…
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:41 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:40 am:
he (PDV) did not say WHY FS was only available for the Welsh test. Is this from the player/Agent side? and if so that means FS really does not want to play for SA!?
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:42 am
Reply to JT @ 11:41 am:
here the rest of the quote:
Further discussion is needed with his club and agent about future availability and this is being dealt with presently.
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:43 am
Reply to Ollie @ 11:34 am:
Ollie the regulation says the window ends on or about 31 August so clearly provides for a game outside the period provided… sorry that phrase is legalese for “we’re not sure”
The more important thing is that is is limited to six games.
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:44 am
Club has no leg to stand on but I remember a few seasons ago when we had the PI Lions there was this issue with the Wasps hooker. The club put pressure on him to retire from Intl rugby because they needed him to rest and be fit for the new season. If he did NOT he would lose his contract. Of course this was a brief issue but then swept under the rug.
Could this be the case here?
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:45 am
Reply to JT @ 11:41 am:
I think the only way the player can do so is by actively retiring from international rugby
I know of Argentines and Romanians and Namibians who have done that… but it has to be an active declaration… in fact the player and club have to sign some sort of declaration fo unavailability if the player is unavailable.
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:46 am
Reply to JT @ 11:44 am:
SNAP
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:46 am
So WTF is going on??????
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:47 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:45 am:
maybe PdV and FS/Agent came to some sort of agreement to not select him for the 3N… All will be revealed at some stage – latest in the Bio of coach and player afetr the Wc 2011
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:47 am
Reply to JT @ 11:34 am:
On a read of the regs he shuld be available…
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:47 am
Reply to JT @ 11:47 am:
lol
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:46 am:
WP conspiracy
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:52 am
Summary:
He (FS) should be available according to IRB regulations.
PdV says he was only available for the Welsh test and they are talking to the Agent and club regarding this issue…
Now if I put 1 and 1 together I get 11!
I think FS has withdrawn because he “needs the rest” and probably threatened with retirement! I think he does want to play in the Wc and probably thinks his best chance is to rest now and have a good season in france which will include the EOYT for the Bokke.
This is my prediction. Juan Smith is doing something similar as is FdP. Each of course having different “excuses”.
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:53 am
Okay I’m going to take my vuvu, don my Puma “Team Africa”* shirt and my orange Hup Hup Holland hoodie and wander down to the Ekurhuleni World Cup Fan Zone to support Ghana against those Uruguyans but start by supporting my Dutch forebears vs those Brazilians..
Go Holland
Go Ghana
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July 2nd, 2010 at 11:55 am
Reply to DavidS @ 11:53 am:
I am actually hoping for an all South America semi-final!
Go Urugua, Argentina, Paraguay, Brazil!
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 am
After the way the Aussies squealed because their team’s poor tv showings were blamed on Bok B sides in 2006 one can I think expect quite a number of “withdrawals” due to injury in the Bok setup.
I think you may have hit the nail on the head there.
How many first line players are suddenly “injured” and taking long breaks
Bakkies
JPP
Jacque Fourie
FDP
Frans Steyn now
I’m just thinking that maybe we’re doing some subterfuge resting of players to trick Murdoch and his squealing ARU aanhangers
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:57 am
Go Holland!
July 2nd, 2010 at 11:58 am
Reply to JT @ 11:55 am:
I’m hoping the South Americans get a collective black weekend
Go Spain
Go Germany
Go Holland
Go Ghana
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 11:58 am:
and the world seems allright again – we were agreeing far to much lately
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:12 pm
They are expecting a $40 million loss. And I cannot see them winning the thing. Talk about a big price for failure.
BUT I had to chuckle when the Rugby Club hosted the CEO of the WCNZ bid last week. Kearnsie asked him if they will accept volunteers from Australia seeing that such an event requires volunteers to be successful. His answer: For sure, we will just have to do police checks on all of them.
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Heheheheheh
Ja jou Brisbane brood!
Why hold the tournie if it’s going to take a $40 million smack to NZ as a whole
I understand that NZ Govt is partly funding this spectacle (not meant in a nice way)
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:17 pm
No disrespect to NZ, but it’s probably one of the worst places to have a big sports tournie.
Shit weather, shit time zone, small stadia….
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Maar soos ek verstaan is hulle meisies nie mooi nie maar ten minste maklik.
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 12:15 pm:
They knew it from the start, but am willing to pay the price to try and get the game to grow again..
As previously stated the junior player numbers are dwinling.
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Reply to manvanstaal @ 12:17 pm:
Nothing wrong with the time zones for me.
Easy to pop over for the game. No need to pay for expensive hotels.
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Reply to Deon @ 12:20 pm:
Nie vir Europa nie.
En wat Tina betref:
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 12:27 pm: En Europa is waar die geld is.
Timezones pla my ook nie rerig nie. Net bier smaak nie heeltemal dieselfde 7 uur in die oggend nie.
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 12:27 pm:
Wat voel ek vir Europa? Hulle het groter probleme as om worry oor wanneer die rugby uitgesaai word.
July 2nd, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Reply to manvanstaal @ 12:30 pm:
As jy wakker bly dan smaak die bier presies dieselfde.