Brendan Venter: two views of THAT interview…

Okay so I subscribe to The Star newspaper. Okay my wife does… for business reasons apparently. They dealt with the Breandan Venter interview by asking two columnists to provide opinions.

On Saturday I had the displeasure of reading John Robbie’s “views” which are no more than mindless meanderings of an aged deejay his employers keep on because they realize that there are no other jobs available for second rate retired Irish scrumhalves with high pitched whiny voices in South Africa.

This genius reckons that Brendan Venter’s approach is the wrong one, especially since he then proceeds to concoct a story that Edward Griffiths and Martin Gillingham the interviewer, all being formerly based in SA must have worked together in some sense to make the interview where Venter proceeded to repeat the questions he was asked  back at the interviewer without answering anything. According to him the BBC had severely criticized Venter and this was the end of story.

Says the ever wise Robbie that all Venter has done is enhance the world’s views that we are “whiners” and we could take a leaf from New Zealand. THEY were the victims of atrocious refereeing in 2007 quarterfinals and what did they do? Nothing… they just put their heads down and worked towards 2011… Okay I laughed out loud after that! These guys no longer need to whine because they OWN the referees.

Just as a matter of interest I recall for the benefit of Mister Robbie in 2009 how refereeing boss Paddy ‘O Brian publicly apologized to New Zealand because of Stuart Dickinson’s terrible refereeing in a test match… but nevertheless the idea that New Zealand “never whines” is a figment of his imagination, and if I may add, given his penchant for pretending not to see race colors it must be because the New Zealanders wear black and Mister Robbie is an arch liberal… Perhaps if he went to a forum like TSF he’ll see Kiwis whinge about the 1995 World Cup and the elusive “Suzie” as though it happened yesterday, how the “intercept” of Stirling Mortlock was the result of him being offsides in 2003, how the French were allowed to escape with murder in 1999 and how Australia similarly cheated in 1992. Yes they even claim the 1998 3N try of James Dalton in Durban was not a try at all and they were cheated by the ref!

Anyway on to Peter Bills (yes he who revs my engine with unimaginable tripe about our rugby) also writes a piece on the same occurrence and for a change I agree with him. That is rare enough a something for me to repeat it. Bills says that Venter is an intelligent bloke. The interview was the perfect response to ERC’s oppressive “communist” management of European rugby. He then says that Venter was fined R250 000 for expressing his honest views: views which were not even all that controversial. Amazingly the ERC has shown its own inability to accept criticism by issuing a statement saying they hope Venter gives better interviews in future…. or else…

Truth is that ERC refuse anyone the right to respond to criticism of them and Bills correctly identifies them as despotic fools incapable of accepting any words not in keeping with their own views. Robbie would do well to learn a bit about his subject before he makes uninformed comments. Opinions are like rear ends… every one has them… and the smells they produce stink but nevertheless some are more noxious than others. I find Robbie’s opinions unencumbered by the weight of facts… something he should leave to his radio show where he could express his opinions as apposite to his callers and sound sharp… not in papers where he has to take a standpoint and defend it with facts…. not fantasy.

Make a note.

DavidS agrees with Peter Bills… it’s a rare happening.

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  1. NEWS ITEM

    Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai tried to get retired South African president Nelson Mandela to help in the Zimbabwean crisis 10 years ago but failed.
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    Old club solidarity.
    Lots of the guilt can be put at the feet of the ANC.

    The United Nations offered Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe a retirement package and safe haven overseas if he agreed to stand down, according to a US diplomatic cable revealed by WikiLeaks.
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    Power hungry monkey.

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  2. Rietkappers 277/6 – Lunch Day 4

    Even Tsotsobe takes a wicket.

    :bulls supporter:
    should be singing before the day is out.

    Good to see the chokers putting it together.

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  3. Frans Steyn reckons SA clubs can learn a thing or two from overseas clubs when it comes to player management…

    Will put the piece up as soon as my wife finishes the paper…

    )-;

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  4. Well India is on the verge of getting spanked, the Poms have already started to soothe the stinging red stripes singed into their pasty white bottoms in the sea water of Perth after a severe caning from Australia

    Aus 268 and 309

    Eng 187 and 123

    ___________________________________

    Aus won by 267 runs.

    Ryan Harris 5/26 in 7 overs the primary desrtuction wreaker

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  5. Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 1:31 pm:

    Yup

    And then a whole gang of squealing De Villiers supporters jumped up and immediately condemned Frans Steyn and then pretended not to know when yours truly showed them how wrong they were…

    I especially recalled one discussion when Morne and Ollie claimed that Zane Kirchner was as good / better…

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  6. Reply to DavidS @ 1:37 pm:

    Well, either Tina is playing out of position or he is being managed badly – or both – for he hasn’t done anything for the Boks in 2010 that impressed me.

    Dhoni and Tendulkar can take the match into tomorrow.

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  7. Reply to Boertjie @ 1:42 pm:

    Exactly

    He spends the whole season at 12 in racing

    Then gets dragged to SA after a barney between the Bok management and his club with the coach and Andy Maritoss making all sorts of wild unproven allegations, his national coach doing the same… and then he gets slotted in at wherever the “coats” wants

    13,
    10
    14
    15

    You name it

    Then gets expected to play outstandingly and of position against top opposition and perform immediately… even as he “coats” has made all sorts of unproven contentions against him

    To claim that Gio Aplon or Zane Kirchner are as good as he is?

    KAK… he’s been by far the best fifteen to play for SA since Montgomery’s retirement.

    What does he need to do to impress you?

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  8. Reply to Boertjie @ 2:20 pm:

    In the interview he says that during the two tests against Scotland and England he was changed to wing and fullback and inside center and even flyhalf.

    So maybe he STARTED in certain positions but with the moustachioed moron shifting players with unfathomable substitutions as the game goes on so that his chosen quotas can get game time Steyn may have started in certain positions but he certainly did not end the game playing there…

    That is what he said during his interview.

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  9. The only thing that can come from acting like an idiot is that people may think you are one.

    Brendan Venter acted like an idiot in that interview.

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  10. John Robbie is right about Venter being a bad loser, but wrong about the kiwis, who can bitch about the refs with the best of them. poor barnesie was nearly ruined, ag shame.
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  11. Reply to Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes @ 5:43 pm:

    Nope

    Planned sarcasm aimed at making others look like idiots.

    Sorry… I think what he did was a stroke of genius, particularly when the media and everyone else knows that

    1. He is an outspoken person; and

    2. He is a highly intelligent person

    He has achieved his aim which was to make fun of the powers that be.

    Reply to Morné @ 7:35 pm:

    Says nothing about whether he is a good person or not. I read “Long Walk to Freedom” and still thought FW De Klerk’s biography was better… doesn’t mean he was a better person than Mandela… Hey who knows… maybe Justin Bieber’s biography is fantastic…. does that make me want to suck his…. no it doesn’t… I sometimes listen to John Robbie on Radio 702… he’s an idiot…

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  12. Reply to DavidS @ 5:39 pm:

    Well, with bad coverage, bad commentary and the Bok backs hardly moving – coupled to my own bad eyesight maybe – it was hard to spot Tina at 12 and 15.

    I thought Brendan Venter was hillarious and selected the best way to prove his point.

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  13. Reply to Morné @ 8:02 pm:

    As I said

    I don’t care for it because I don’t like the person.

    It may be excellent but I STILL don’t like the person John Robbie, which is the point I was trying to illustrate by contrasting FW De Klerk and Nelson Mandela’s respective biographies.

    I detest De Klerk but his biography was better than Long Walk to Freedom.

    Whether I have read it or not is immaterial to my judgement of John Robbie as an annoying whining talkshow host who has overstayed his welcome like white liberalism…

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  14. Reply to DavidS @ 8:05 pm:

    And a biography is a biography right?

    I could not care much for the De klerk and Mandela ones, I don’t care about politics.

    but reading ones about rugby, and rugby personalities, John Robbie’s was one of the best accounts of a rugby career I have ever read.

    You choose not to read it because you don’t like the person.

    I say make more of an effort to read the ones about people you don’t like…

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  15. Best biography I’ve read was possibly the one on Kepler Wessels.

    Also Bob Hewitt – The Bad Boy of Tennis. Maybe because I met him and had a fewe long chats.

    The worst one – also with the most mistakes – is the one on Frik.

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  16. His sarcasm may look brilliant here, but how does it look to the people that count? Media and fans in Europe. I doubt they are as impressed. As an outsider his chances of changing the system is very slim.

    Best to keep your dignity intact. Choose your battles.

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  17. We seem to be confusing terms here.

    bi·og·ra·phy
    An account of a person’s life written, composed, or produced by another

    au·to·bi·og·ra·phy
    The biography of a person written by that person.

    The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

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  18. A pearler for our history buffs. The famous excerpt from Stanley’s: How I Found Dr. Livingston. Found it in, The White Nile, by Alan Moorehead, 1960. Great read.

    So I did that which I thought was most dignified. I pushed back the crowds, and, passing from the rear, walked down a living avenue of people until I came in front of the semicircle of Arabs, in the front of which stood the white man with the grey beard. As I advanced slowly towards him, I noticed he was pale, looked wearied, had a grey beard, wore a bluish cap with a faded gold band round it, had on a red-sleeved waistcoat and a pair of grey tweed trousers. I would have run to him, only I was a coward in the presence of such a mob—would have embraced him, only he being an Englishman, I did not know how he would receive me; so I did what cowardice and false pride suggested was the best thing—walked deliberately to him, took off my hat, and said:—
    “Dr. Livingstone, I presume?” “Yes,” said he, with a kind smile, lifting his cap slightly.

    I replace my hat on my head, and he puts on his cap, and we both grasp hands, and I then say aloud:
    “I thank God, Doctor, I have been permitted to see you.” He answered, “I feel thankful that I am here to welcome you.”

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  19. Reply to Morné @ 8:09 pm:

    I read Mein Kampf…

    Rambling kak from a madman…

    And seemingly written to have a generation of quotes… not surprising the guy managed to achieve his goals… he was one driven SOB. If he had not failed I’d have thought every business prof would be quoting some of his sayings…

    Anyway immaterial… he was a madman with some streaks of genius…

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  20. Reply to cab @ 12:47 pm:

    The point though is that Mein Kampf is a better read than Churchill’s rambling History of the World biography but who was the truly evil madman? Hitler

    same with Mao’s Little Red Book… it’s actually quite a boppy easy read in English but Mao killed the second most people in history after Joseph Stalin!

    Just because someone writes a good book does not make them a nice person

    ps.

    Hitler was a dispatch runner in WW1 and earned the Iron Cross First Class as an NCO which is an honour reserved for the bravery of officers except in circumstances of exceptional bravery…

    Mad
    Racist
    Evil
    Crazy
    Megalomaniac

    But DEFINITELY not a coward

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  21. Reply to DavidS @ 6:41 pm:
    he was a coward, when the game was up he done himself in in his wee bunker, rather than face the consequences, a total cowardly mangey dog. that he was a runner doesn’t surprise me.

    he was also a fool, not only with his plainly idiotic supremacy ideals when supposed inferiors like jesse owens and albert einstein rubbed his face in it, but a complete doos who thought he could win a war on 2 fronts. he also thought the brits would join with him instead they stufed him up good and proper.

    if you going to pick someone to be controversial about, rather try convince us the kublai kahn was ghandhi.

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  22. Reply to cab @ 7:15 pm:

    You’re trying to wind me up again

    Unfortunately you don’t know what you are talking about so arguing with your kneejerk airheaded uninformed liberalism serves no logical purpose…

    You’ll maar have to keep thinking that sticking a gun into your mouth and fighting till the end does not take courage or that only an idiot would be able to convince the second most powerful nation in the world to follow him 100%

    Oh and Hitler loudly applauded Owens’ win.

    He was a nationalist not a racist… but you won’t know what that means…

    Cheers cab… argue with the empty air in your head… not my knowledge

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  23. According to wikipedia:

    “….and this rarer award was commonly awarded to those posted to regimental headquarters, such as Hitler, who had more contact with more senior officers than combat soldiers.[33]”

    So much for bravery. Probably awarded for “services rendered”.

    “Yet because the regimental staff thought Hitler lacked leadership skills, he was never promoted to Unteroffizier”

    I guess they got it wrong there. Maybe not. If he had real leadership skills his system would have lasted more than 12 years

    I see he was also suicidal after the failed beer hall putsch.

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  24. Hitler expressed his feelings about Owens and Africans in private. Albert Speer, Hitler’s architect and later war armaments minister, recollected:
    Each of the German victories, and there were a surprising number of these, made him happy, but he was highly annoyed by the series of triumphs by the marvelous colored American runner, Jesse Owens. People whose antecedents came from the jungle were primitive, Hitler said with a shrug; their physiques were stronger than those of civilized whites and hence should be excluded from future games.[12]
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  25. Considering all the literature around Hitler he must be regarded as the most influential figure of the 20th Century.
    Top of the baddies to, though Stalin and Mau and Pol Pot all deserves mentions.
    Who else?
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  26. Reply to Ollie @ 10:46 am:

    And the ANC government :wink:

    8 000 baby deaths in hospitals –
    and that was for the first five
    months of the year.

    Money budgeted to create 800 000 jobs not spent.

    Not to mention all the corruption.

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  27. Reply to Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes @ 2:14 pm:

    Well, Stalin was responsible – according to some – for the death of 30 million peasants.

    Spoke to a Chinese woman who is married to a friend. The damage caused by Mau – or actually his wife, I believe – has changed the whole Chinese psyche.

    Strange how Stalin is still heralded by many Russkis.

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  28. Can you believe it:

    There’s a Fyndraai Restaurant near Franschhoek.
    :muahaha:

    I suppose it’s lost on the English folk and tourists.

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  29. Owens himself claimed Hitler treated him respectfully.

    As for the rear echelon medal award that is a theory developed by a Jewish “scholar” same as the whole “Hitler had syphilis” idea as well as the “Hitler was part Jewish” nonsense.

    Sorry

    As I said before

    The guy was as evil as can be

    BUT there are immense numbers of lies about him and those are some.

    The Wiki entry is disputed

    Reply to Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes @ 2:14 pm:

    Uhm

    How can Marx be the most influential man of the 20 th century when he died in the 19th century.

    Hitler shaped modern Europe and must be reckoned as the most influential figure of the 20th Century.

    Stalin was a far more evil man than Hitler but never acknowledged.

    Do yourself a favour and google something called Holodomor.

    THAT was a true Holocaust of more than six million people intentionally murdered and in less time than Hitler managed…

    Stalin murdered 40 million of his own citizens… Hitler could not manage to kill 40 million people…

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  30. Hitler’s evil machinations for a united Europe against communism came true but in exactly the opposite way he planned. Europe realized the horror of internecine fighting and united behind the united states, terminating the horror of autocracy and militarist fascism and Prussian militarism forever whilst creating perversely a powerful united democratic front against Communism.
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  31. Reply to cab @ 6:33 pm:

    Brand:
    Fyndraai is a state of mind.

    Morne:
    An analysis of fyndraai will show it is related to performance and may be improved with training.

    Dawie:
    Fyndraai, is as jy kom, ek sê.

    Boertjie:
    I remember when fyndraai was much better.

    Cab:
    Net as ek by fyndraai kom, toe vang die ram ons.

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  32. In the final analysis the Soviet ssytm was NOT Marxist and neither was that of the blocs of China, Vietnam and Yugoslavia. Their failure negates the contention that Marx was the most influential character of the 20th century even if that nonsensical contention is accepted.

    At the end of the 20th century the USSR no longer existed, Yugoslavia was a broken up set of ethnic state democracies and Eastern Europe all out of Soviet communism’s sphere.

    China was moving to a free market system and Vietnam was site for manufacture used by top Western corporations.

    Marxism in China was no longer Marxist based but Maoist based and the one semi Marxist state North Korea had achieved the pariah status of Rhodesia in post UDI days.

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  33. Reply to Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes @ 7:04 pm:

    I did

    I stand by what I said…

    Marxism was not influential on 20th century politics.

    I would say Americanist Free Market Consumerist-Capitalism was the most influential philosophy of the 20th century…. not Marxism.

    At the end of the 20th century it had affected the century far more than Marx had.

    ps.

    Morne

    STATISTICALLY more training and better vision would improve Fyndraai

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  34. It’s the same as people who are kind of sympathetic to communism expounding its merits but when one finally looks at 20th century culture and customs it is clear that Communism lost its ideological war with Free Market capitalism in every single way.

    same as the contention of guerrilla warfare on some scale being a successful system of warfare. Once carefully analyzed, it is clear that every single guerrilla war has failed.

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  35. stalin was another murderous bastard, but was a veritable saint compared to hitler.

    the reasons hitler is so hated as being the most evil of murderous bastard was because he caused WWII, the most bloody conflict in human history, an agressive war for lebensraum which killed over 60 million and a holocaust whose final solution was the systematic identification and execution of every jew they could find.

    holodomor was a completely seperate event to stalin’s great purge. there was an famine but the reason the ukrainians were so upset is cause stalinist russia failed to allocate humanitarian aid.

    the great purge was the process by which stalin executed or shipped off to the gulag all opponents and dissidents to his totalitarian regime.

    the allies teamed up with stalin cos they had no other choice, and he was the lesser of two evils.

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  36. holodomor was a completely seperate event to stalin’s great purge. there was an famine but the reason the ukrainians were so upset is cause stalinist russia failed to allocate humanitarian aid.

    Jeeeeezuz

    And you have the gall to call ME a historical revisionist!!!!!!

    The famine, like the Ethiopian one, was entirely man caused…. and that man was Stalin

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  37. the famine was probably man-caused, and probably due to stalin trying to drive his policy of collectivisation by confiscating food from the ukranian peasants, the usual stupid ideologists policies that ppl stick to unflinchingly despite being aware of their consequens, but whether this was done to intentionally wipe the ukranians out is a totally differnt thing, which is precisely and unequivocally what hitler set out to do.

    But i am totally in agreement that stalin was a murdering bastard.

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  38. Reply to DavidS @ 7:13 pm:

    Good one.

    Morne normally have long sentences. How about?

    Careful statistical analysis will disprove the commonly held belief that solo visits to Fyndraai cause blindness.

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  39. Reply to cab @ 7:46 pm:

    Ja, ek het nie gedink ‘n hanskakie sal weet van Fyndraai nie.

    This caused havoc at one of the Stellenbosch “circus” events when potential SRC candidates put forward their policies.

    One guy was going to tar the paths leading up to female recisenses so that the guys won’t have dusty shoes. Etc., etc.

    So this guy in the audience brought the house down with:

    “Gaan jy die fyn draai ook teer?”

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  40. Reply to DavidS @ 7:05 pm:

    While it is true that nobody implemented all his ideas, it is also true that everybody implemented some of his ideas.
    The fact that it proved unworkable by the end of the century does not take away his influence on it.
    Which makes him, in my opinion, the person that most influenced the 20th century, which is not the same thing as the most influential person of the 20th century.

    American spent most of the century moving towards more democracy and human rights and away from the free market, so I’d say that is where their biggest influence lay.

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  41. Reply to Boertjie @ 9:36 pm:

    Miskien is dit

    Commando
    Trekking On.
    No Outspan.
    en die 3 saam is Adrift on the Open veld.

    Ek het dit as een boek laasjaar die tyd gekry. Hy spog heelwat oor sy pa en the Burns vertalings. Ook ‘n snaakse storie oor die groep Scotte wat Amsterdam (Tvl) gevind het en dit iets soos New Burnia wou noem, maar Paul Kruger het gesê hy duld nie kaffername nie en so is dit toe Amsterdam.

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  42. Must say i first thought he was being a twit when i first saw it on Sky News, but some one on keo explained why he did it and i changed my mind and thought excellent.

    Hope you all have a fantastic Christmas

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  43. Reply to DavidS @ 7:13 pm:

    Read this essay on Capitalism by Ayn Rand.

    My point is not about her views but about the excerpts from Encyclopedia Brittanica in the essay. It seems clear that the authors of Brittanica in the mid 1960s (2 thirds into the 20th century) believed that Marxism was superior to Capitalism. By the time these views changed the 20th century was just about over.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=eWZbq29waP8C&lpg=PT29&ots=NQWByD9P_7&dq=predictions%20concerning%20the%20survival%20of%20capitalism%20are%20in%20part%20a%20matter%20of%20definition%20one%20sees%20everywhere%20in&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false

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