WP’s double-edged sword

July 5, 2011
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Whilst many will applaud Western Province rugby for hanging onto most of their players, it might come at a massive loss.

It was reported this morning in the Cape Times newspaper that Western Province and Stormers rugby have managed to extend the contracts of Gio Aplon, Juan de Jongh and Jean de Villiers which will see them stay in the Cape for at least another year.

Players like Schalk Burger, Jaque Fourie, Duane Vermeulen, Tiaan Liebenberg and Andries Bekker are also believed to have committed to the union and will put their signatures on the dotted line soon.

This means that of their top players, the union at this stage will only lose the services of Anton van Zyl (Stade) and Francois Louw (Bath) as even Bryan Habana might stay on another year following a breakdown in negotiations with Toulon.

As good as this may sound for the Cape based team, it might also mean that they might lose a player like Johann Sadie who has reportedly been offered a contract at the Bulls.  With all three current Bok centers believed to extend their contracts, Sadie might be persuaded to make a move to Pretoria in view of getting more game time, a similar situation which saw Western Province lose the talented Francois Hougaard a couple of years ago.

For those Stormers fans hoping to hold onto Sadie there might be a glimmer of hope however as Stormers coach Allister Coetzee confirmed in the aftermath of their season-ending defeat last Saturday that any team that hopes to be competitive in Super Rugby will need a squad of minimum 40 players which will have to be rotated effectively.

It now remains to be seen whether Stormers and WP management can convince Sadie of this fact and retain his services in 2012.

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50 Comments

  1. avatar DavidS the sort of hopeful Lion says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Alistair… brainy guy…

    The Stormers managed to do damned well despite the massive personnel losses during the season…

    I hope the moustachioed moron was watching…

  2. avatar DavidS the sort of hopeful Lion says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Or maybe he was too busy teaching people how to play rugby without having their yarmulke fall off…

  3. avatar the cheetahs are pumas! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    well it would be typical WP to hold onto Jean “my heart hurts the most” De Villiers and lose Sadie!

    You need to find a 10 fast.

    Just leave Ebersohn and Goosen the hell alone showponies.

  4. avatar the cheetahs are pumas! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 11:44 am

    wp would do very well to offer Josh Strauss huge money to come home……

  5. avatar the cheetahs are pumas! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 11:46 am

    let fatboy cj go home to bloem to rear cattle (oh i forgot he is going to world cup)

    8O

  6. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Why on earth would keeping some of these seniors be a double-edged sword…

    One thing this S15 has proven is that it’s no longer even a ’22man game’… it’s a ’30 plus’ squad game if one hopes to make the play-offs… at the very least the best possible two players in every position need to stocked…

    And then there is still the CC which demands attention and the Boks will be played less and less…

  7. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Reply to the cheetahs are pumas! @ 11:43 am:

    Goosen off to the Bulls, Sharks courting both Ebersohns.

  8. avatar the cheetahs are pumas! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 11:49 am:

    agree, but dont hold onto old ones if they cost a shit load of money. cj for example has added no value to the stormers.

    but then again knowing you bryce, you’d be happy to see Sadie go to bulls if it means the stormers retain the fearsome Divs/Fourie combo

    :dead horse: :D

  9. avatar the cheetahs are pumas! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 11:59 am

    Reply to Morné @ 11:55 am:

    has goosen confirmed?

    sharks court every cheetah. Hendro was courted 9 years in a row to go to sharks. I believe Brussouw now on year 3!

    tossers

  10. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Reply to the cheetahs are pumas! @ 11:59 am:

    Bulls seem to think so, no confirmation to the media yet though.

  11. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:15 pm

    Reply to the cheetahs are pumas! @ 11:44 am:

    Over-rated… misses far too many tackles, does not have the speed for ‘huge money’ nor decent linking skills… albeit he is young and gives it his all… I dare he was only really noticed as he had an awesome beard and stood out in a shite side…

    Would I have him as my second choice 7 in a S15 squad… yep…

    Would I pay ‘huge’ money for him to lure him back to a union with very good loose-forward depth… not a f@#$!

  12. avatar Boertjie says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Reply to the cheetahs are pumas! @ 11:46 am:

    Fat Boy CJ
    :wink:

    This morning the other fat boy – Ollie le Roux -
    sticks up for CJ, saying he is a must for RWC.
    :roll:

    Hennie le Roux sees Jannie, Smit and Beast in
    the front row.

    Isn’t that the same three that got fooked by
    the Saders?

  13. avatar JT_Stormers says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 12:20 pm:

    WTF does Henny le Roux know about front row play?? :whistling:

  14. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 12:20 pm:

    Smit played loosehead against the Crusaders didn’t he?

  15. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Thought so, in London Smit was at loosehead, in the play off game, on the bench

  16. avatar the cheetahs are pumas! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 12:15 pm:

    True. But as far as culture goes WP can do with having a homegrown boy perform for them. Strauss links well and rarely does not breach advantage line.

    Reply to Boertjie @ 12:20 pm:

    all used to be tjommies in the bloemfontein chabal under Rassie. fok both of them

  17. avatar the cheetahs are pumas! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 12:15 pm:

    oh and this loose forward depth you are talking about at the cape? would that be Brits and Koster and those okes?

    Id say WP can do with another loosie with super rugby experience.

  18. avatar the cheetahs are pumas! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 12:10 pm:

    I have it that Goosen is staying oranje for one more year? Between him and Sias and Daniller they rotate 10 and 15 (with Daniller only doing 15)

  19. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Reply to the cheetahs are pumas! @ 12:40 pm:

    I see Philip Burger is selected at 15 for their friendly against the Kings this Friday…

  20. avatar the cheetahs are pumas! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 12:48 pm:

    yeh saw that. also heard rumors daniller might be tried at 13?

  21. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:56 pm

    Reply to the cheetahs are pumas! @ 12:54 pm:

    Interesting…

  22. avatar the cheetahs are pumas! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 12:48 pm:

    can you send me team?

  23. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Reply to the cheetahs are pumas! @ 12:57 pm:

    1. Marcel van der Merwe
    2. Michael van Vuuren
    3. Trevor Nyakane
    4. Francois Uys
    5. Izak van der Westhuizen
    6. Pieter Myburg
    7. Pieter Labuschagne
    8. Boom Prinsloo
    9. Tewis de Bruyn
    10. Riaan Smith
    11. Cameron Jacobs
    12. Johan Goosen
    13. Phillip Snyman
    14. Nico Scheepers
    15. Philip Burger

    16. Schalk van der Merwe
    17. Hercu Liebenberg
    18. JC Astle
    19. Willie Britz
    20. Piet van Zyl
    21. Robbie van Schalkwyk
    22. Ryno Benjamin

  24. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    Reply to the cheetahs are pumas! @ 12:57 pm:

    Tell me some more about the unkown names here…

  25. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Reply to the cheetahs are pumas! @ 12:35 pm:

    For ‘huge’ money as you put it?

  26. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 1:14 pm:

    For ‘real’ money they need to buy another world class lock… and then simply convert Elstad to blind-sider (his choice position) bring in the young Nizaam Carr to add to their current stocks although I think Louw is going…

  27. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 1:16 pm:

    Dont forget Kolisi.

  28. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 1:05 pm:

    I presume all the S15 players missing have gone back to the Griqua’s for the rest of the season?

    Smit, Sarel, Uys, Viljoen etc?

  29. avatar JT_Stormers says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    there go our WC hopes: “Brian Mujati will not be in the Boks’ World Cup squad as his paperwork is not in order and Home Affairs requires him to be ‘working’ in SA.”

    :bangheadt:

  30. avatar JT_Stormers says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 1:19 pm:

    and all the guys in the Bok squad to CT for a training camp…

  31. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 1:18 pm:

    Didn’t impress me much in U20 RWC… he’s quick… and still listed as a hooker on the WP site?

    Forgot to add brining in that Etzabeth chap into the locks once they’ve ‘bought’ another world class one…

    Actually RSA lock depth is pretty non existent…

  32. avatar DavidS the sort of hopeful Lion says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Why doeswn’t WP bring back Myburgh?

  33. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Reply to JT_Stormers @ 1:20 pm:

    You only had to read his blog months ago where-in he responded to one of the comments that he had zero intention of giving up his British citizenship application…

  34. avatar JT_Stormers says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 1:23 pm:

    He qualifies to play for the Bokke – only the politicians at Saru keeping him out! Does not matter which citizenship he has or where he lives.

  35. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 1:19 pm:

    Indeed they have, Raubenheimer too.

    WP short on lock for the CC but that’s about it (then again so is most teams).

  36. avatar namboer_STORMERS! says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Reply to DavidS the sort of hopeful Lion @ 1:21 pm: Coz Myburgh is bydie Cheetahs now, sien span wat Morné gepost het bo…

  37. avatar DavidS the sort of hopeful Lion says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    Reply to namboer_STORMERS! @ 1:28 pm:

    Maar as hulle in WP los voorspelers kort hoekom koop hulle nie hom terug nie?

  38. avatar Boertjie says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Onthou Pieter Louw was beseer.
    En hy is glattiekakkie.

  39. avatar DavidS the sort of hopeful Lion says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    Nee fok ek weet nie… dis daai fool van Bethlehem wat dink julle kort lossvoorspelers… moes maar eerder my bek gehou het lykkit my…

  40. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Reply to JT_Stormers @ 1:26 pm:

    No he does not… and it’s the Minister for Sport himself who changed the rules in parliament…

    But this has been rehashed a million times…

  41. avatar JT_Stormers says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 5:15 pm:

    According to the IRB he does, only Sa is choosing not to on own made up rulings
    :dead horse:

  42. avatar gsp27 says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Cheetahs fielding very young team, interesting to see Goosen at twelve, may be an inspired choice. Goosen not has stil got a year left on his contract. Boom Prinsloo at 8 springbok sevens, Riaan smit on 10 he played wing in S15 and daniller at centre, (where he started for the bulls) again interesting. But a good young team all in all

  43. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 7:25 pm

    Reply to JT_Stormers @ 6:40 pm:

    It seems that water has seeped into your brain eh :wink:

    No non-South Africa passport holder is permitted to play for any RSA national team… finished!

    IRB rules have nothing to do with it…

    Mujati has stated he wants his English citizenship and is in application phase due to his POM wife, the Zimbabwean has no allegiance to RSA nor intends to… really not a lot to fathom here… :Rule 9:

  44. avatar Boertjie says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 7:25 pm:

    Well, then screw Mujati.

  45. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 7:44 pm:

    Personally I don’t blame him… he has an English wife, English kid, great contract, brews beer in his spare time in his English mansion… and was treated like sh!t on many fronts in RSA… not too mention he’s still a Zimbo gaining English citizenship… some fans live in a dream world…

  46. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Reply to bryce_shark_in_oz @ 8:04 pm:

    I am with you.

    Screw SA rugby that has ridiculed him, he has his life sorted, well done to him.

  47. avatar Boertjie says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 9:00 pm:

    Well he wasn’t much of a prop when he played
    in SA, now was he?

    He may miss the sunny skies, but not the crime, I presume.

  48. avatar Morné says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 9:12 pm:

    According to folks up North who puts a whole lot of emphasis on scrumming, he is not doing too badly apparently.

    And its not like we have tightheads rolling off the production line in SA either.

  49. avatar JT_Stormers says:
    July 5th, 2011 at 9:58 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 9:12 pm:

    I backed him yet he was unapreciated by most of the Sa fans – Malllett was right …
    :whistling: :twisted:

  50. avatar bryce_shark_in_oz says:
    July 6th, 2011 at 5:17 am

    Reply to Morné @ 9:38 pm:

    That’s the thing… he was pushed into the Bok fold way too early just like Beast (who fortunately for him had a much better work-rate around the paddock to mask his deficiencies)… and do to that ‘quota’ tag and the shenanigans surrounding his crim father… was drinking his way through it which only worsened his on-field performances…

    The best thing he could have done was move on… it’s only his stint in England that has improved his game (read scrumming)… if you you see his last few games he was gassing big time in the second halfs…

    But you’re correct… the Boks do not exactly have huge TH depth… this is exactly what separates Mujati from the Schalk Brits debate… well that and Brian is actually not a South African nor never wants to be unlike Beast.

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