So here they are:
Willem Alberts Sharks
Bjorn Basson Bulls
Marcell Coetzee Sharks
Keegan Daniel Sharks
Jean de Villiers Stormers
Bismarck du Plessis Sharks
Jannie du Plessis Sharks
JJ Engelbrecht Bulls
Eben Etzebeth Stormers
Bryan Habana Stormers
Francois Hougaard Bulls
Elton Jantjies Lions
Ryan Kankowski Sharks
Zane Kirchner Bulls
Juandré Kruger Bulls
Werner Kruger Bulls
Patrick Lambie Sharks
Tendai Mtawarira Sharks
Lwazi Mvovo Sharks
Wynand Olivier Bulls
Coenie Oosthuizen Cheetahs
Ruan Pienaar Ulster
JP Pietersen Sharks
Jacques Potgieter Bulls (I thought he’s injured?)
Chiliboy Ralepelle Bulls
Pierre Spies Bulls
Frans Steyn Sharks/Racing Metro
Morné Steyn Bulls
Adriaan Strauss Cheetahs
Flip van der Merwe Bulls
Franco van der Merwe Lions
Jano Vermaak Bulls
Nine uncapped players were included in the Springbok squad of 32 for the Castle Incoming Tour against England, named on Saturday in Pretoria by SARU CEO Jurie Roux and Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer.
The nine uncapped players are flanks Marcell Coetzee and Jacques Potgieter, locks Eben Etzebeth, Juandré Kruger and Franco van der Merwe, flyhalf Elton Jantjies, wing or centre JJ Engelbrecht, prop Coenie Oosthuizen and scrumhalf Jano Vermaak.
Jantjies and Oosthuizen toured with the Springboks at the end of the 2010 season and in the 2011 Castle Tri-Nations. Van der Merwe and Vermaak have previously played for the Emerging Springboks.
Meyer and the national selectors, Peter Jooste and Ian McIntosh, were unanimous when it came to finalising the squad. They have also recalled 15 members of the Rugby World Cup 2011 squad, while nine Rugby World Cup winners from 2007 remain in the squad.
The most experienced player in the squad is South Africa’s foremost Test try scorer Bryan Habana, with 74 caps. Six more players have played in excess of 40 Tests for South Africa.
“We were always looking to start the season with an experienced squad to face England, but injuries to certain players and the non-availability of others have made it difficult,” said Meyer.
“What we‘ve lost in experience, we’ve made up in passion and desire to play for the Springboks.
“We have put together a squad with a nice balance between a number of veterans and players with less experience as we start to build for the rest of the season.
“Working with these players during our four Planning Camps this season has been great and really made a very difficult selection process a bit easier. There were a few unlucky players that didn’t make it and they will get opportunities in future as long as they keep on knocking on the door.
“The nine uncapped players have all put up their hands during Vodacom Super Rugby this year and we know they have what it takes to succeed at the highest level.
“We realise that it is impossible to please everyone when it comes to selecting squads like these, but we would really like to see the entire country stand behind us as we take on England.”
Furthermore, six promising players have been added to the Springbok squad for the next three weeks. They are not eligible for selection but will train with the squad in Durban, Johannesburg and Port Elizabeth.
The six up-and-coming players are Siya Kolisi (flank), Arno Botha (No 8), Frans Malherbe (prop), CJ Stander (loose forward), Francois Venter (centre) and Piet van Zyl (scrumhalf).
Meyer said: “We feel that these players have what it takes to play for the Springboks and they were close to selection in the final squad. However, these three weeks provide the ideal opportunity to work with them, show them what the Springbok culture is all about and hopefully put them on the right track to play for South Africa sooner rather than later. By doing this now, we will reap the dividends going forward.
“We also rate a number of great players in the South African Under-20 squad, but they were not considered at this stage due to the fact that they are playing in a very important Junior World Championship.”
Okay so to end some conjecture… obviously FDP didn’t make it as Rapport claimed he would… I love the egg on their faces yet again… Only three Stormers guys made it, so in all likelihood that is going to give rise to hysterics south of the Hex River.
From a provincial standpoint, the Bulls and Sharks have the highest number of representatives in the Boks.
Bulls – 12, Sharks – 10, Stormers – 3, Lions – 2, Cheetahs – 2 and Ulster’s Ruan Pienaar makes up the squad.
However the inclusion of the likes of JJ Engelbrecht, Marcelle Coetzee, Jacques Potgieter and Eben Etzebeth shows he is including exciting attacking and form players. So in a way he’s loyal to experience whilst also looking for new directions.
I’m in two minds… there are always going to be unlucky players like Peter Grant, Juan De Jongh, Derrick Minnie and maybe Deon Fourie, but on the whole the team is a good one.
elcamino
logan
ROOILEEU
Tina
KingPaul
Methos The French Stormer
Thomas_Bulls
Deon
Aldo
JT_BOKBEFOK!
garyj1-Bulls
Amethyst
trevormayhew
Pom in Joburg
Marcel
namboer
Jacques(Bunny)Somtimes I sits and thinks and sometimes I just sits
RUGGA_MIND
Quinn25
Pokkel
moose
Vernonimous
Watte
niekie
Dante
Panther
Vetgesmeerde Blits
bryce_in_oz
Kozac
Blokkies
Number12_Lions
Brutus2
Lehe6
Estian Nortier
DavidS
johanleroux13
Morné
Tafelberg
pietstreak
Ollie
Koos
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Three Stormers only
So
Does this mean the coach rejects their gameplan?
No skipper named
Jisis I can see there are going to be some hysterical Cape Spanish!
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 9:13 pm: Ha ha and 13 Blou/Pienks – ja maak hulle almal bokke. JJ Engelbrecht too???
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Dawie, going to gooi the official SA Rugby release if you dont mind.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 pm
How many minutes of Superugby has Vermaak played this year?
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Morne just edit this post
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Morne no worries I have it and I’ll do it. Just wanted it up quickly
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
No fourie du Preez or am I blind?
Who is captain?
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 9:13 pm: You are right – probably why Meyer said “we would really like to see the entire country stand behind us as we take on England.”
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
I count 12 Bulls Outwide
10 shocks
3 Stormpies
2 cheaters
2 lyins
1 ulsterette
=
30
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
By far the most deserving name NOT
there is Kolisi.
This guy is going to prove blacks
can get there on pure merit.
By far the best loosie in the country
IMO.
Only 20, so his time will come.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Reply to Morné @ 9:28 pm:
No skipper named Morne
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
O fok, Cape media gaan befok gaan oor hierdie span!!!
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Even in the release and interview no skipper is named and as you saw Rapport got it wrong…
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Reply to Morné @ 9:28 pm:
Ja, ‘n paar manne se name is weer GAT.
FduP?
Mind you, ek is nie mal oor Vermaak
of Hougaard nie. Tiger Pienaar?
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 9:32 pm:
AGAIN! Shame Rapport guys must check their sauces.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Meisiekind over De Jongh?
BTW has he run out of peroxide?
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Reply to Morné @ 9:32 pm:
Cheap, sensational journalism.
That’s why I read no Afrikaans rugby journo,
possible exception is Stephen Nell.
They put journalism to shame.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Tough on Aplon, JDJ and Brussow. Some exciting new players. Biggest shock must be J Potgieter! Don’t back that call. I think Spies will be named captain.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Not just the Cape media mate! Let me call it: It’s a disgrace!!!!! Again the unrated Stormers front row nailed the Pienkes tonight, but their names are nowhere! Aplon is MILES better than Basson or Kirchner – but then he is not a bull(shit). Sharks has 3 decent games so far, and what the hell in Kakofski doing there!!! Etzebet has been shown he has another 2 years at least to talk with the big boys – clearly a bit of damage control by Meyer. And Spies is ‘n nat drol…
As in the past, all Meyer’s talk was not backed with practice – hope he gets a reality check soon!
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Reply to Henlo @ 9:35 pm:
Then he must be an exceptional leader,
because he’s a shit player.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
And Olivier Another shock imo.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 9:38 pm: I don’t like him either, but have a feeling Meyer will go that way. In my eyes it should be JdV out of this group.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Reply to Henlo @ 9:39 pm:
Well, Heyneke knows him –
as a shit player.
I’ll back the team of course, but
Heyneke is a bit over the top
with his his loyalty to Bulls –
then he tries to balance it with
two shit Sharks nominees.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Okay I have a real problem with one name there – Jacques Potgieter?
You must be fucking kidding me…
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Reply to Morné @ 9:41 pm:
Easy answer – he’s a Bull.
I’m disappointed with this squad,
not just from a Cape perspective.
Meisiekind, Potgieter, Daniel, Kankakski.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Bulls were nowhere last year – when Heyneke was really the man in charge! Got nothing from Currie cup or S15. Now he thinks he can beat the WORLD with his blue golf buddies, and the collective game plan of his blue management team! Our only saving grace will be a thumping from the English for he and his blue bull management team to smell the roses.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Is Brussouw injured or being “rested” for the bigger tests to come? English will be pouring over the 5 Bulls losses this year to see how to beat the Boks.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Brussouw is not a Blue Bull – so no springbok cap this year!
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Reply to out wide @ 9:46 pm:
I’m afraid from my perspective
Brussow’s time is over.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Just reading comments on social media, Heyneke best not lose next weekend. Some really fucked of folk out there.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 9:48 pm: Admittedly, Brussouw has not been at his former level this year but then there are a few Blue Boks in the side that are surely there on reputation, some with bad reputations and some with no reputation.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
BTW what is the official Bok logo?
They already have that flower in a
primary school badge in the left breast -
must they still have it over the Bok as
well?
And those awful ANC green and yellow ties
worn by the announcers of the squad?
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Reply to Morné @ 9:51 pm:
Enlighten us?
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Reply to out wide @ 9:51 pm:
Size. HM is going for bulk.
Just a pity Spies is just a bulky
bag of shit.
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Meyer is clearly also a believer that a fetcher is only meant to get the beers! Who will play 6? Daniel or Coetsee?
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Boertjie, I disagree that Spies is bag of shit – no reason to discredit “bags” on this site!!! He is 100% pure koei shit (die plof soort, van die pienk koeie met die blou balle!!!!!)
June 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Reply to Henlo @ 9:53 pm:
Well, he should select Coenie O then.
2nd best stealer in the S15, not?
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 9:57 pm: Along with Bismarck they should steal a couple of balls.
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Hope Chilieboy is hooker – Bismark is kak.
No real flyhalve apart from pornking Steyn – Ruan says he wants to play scrummie. So expect boring 10 man rugby – the same that has not bring ANY success for the Bulls teh last 2 years…
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
There is no open side flanker in this group no?
Shockers for me:
Daniel
Vermaak
Olivier
Alberts
Engelbrecht
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Reply to Morné @ 9:51 pm: Ha ha – you might be viewing the comments of a pretty skewed sample of Bok supporters there mate. All the ones who would laud this side have switched off the blogsites to digest their team’s loss tonight.
One of the supporters of this side will be Hugh Bladen. The selectors have backed up his “Bulls have the best wing-fullback combination in the competition” tonight by picking 2 of the 3. I still say there are a lot of people in Christchurch, Hamilton and Wellington that will dispute that brag.
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 10:03 pm:
None.
But Potgieter not a shocker to you?
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Meyer and the national selectors, Peter Jooste and Ian McIntosh, were unanimous when it came to finalising the squad.
OK, so there are 3 Stooges, not one.
Who the hell is Arno Botha and Francois Venter?
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Fok en daar dog ek hm sou die beste spelers kies soos hy gese het hoop vir sy part sy blou bokke wen volgende naweek hy stel my teleur het gedog hy sou anders wees maar my pa het altyd gese die ou het ‘n eier geplant en gedog daar gaan ‘n hoender opkom my johnny black saam met die stormers se wen oor die koeie maak darem die aand beter
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Ek belowe ek sal niks kak skryf van die Bulle of Heyneke volgende week nie! Njannies!
Cheers okes!
No matter what we think, Heyneke’s team has to go out and win the shit, get behind your coach!
It is all Bokke for the next 3 weeks!
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 pm
So who has a gripe?
In the Stormers no forwards certainly… maybe Fourie, but what about Aplon? Maybe De Jongh and Grant. Schalk, Bekker, Vermeulen, Pietersen. None of the others have shown any abilities to qualify them for national honours.
In the Cheetahs Willie Le Roux FOR CERTAIN deserved a look into the squad. but amongst their forwards nobody really and nobody else in the backline.
Lions… well maybe Minnie and Caleb Oosthuizen
Sharks… nobody else really.
In truth this squad says more about the toll taken by injuries in this stupid S15 as well as the lack of depth in SA than about the performances of specific players in teams.
Up to three weeks ago the Bulls certainly were challenging for top spot in S15 and even held it for a short while. The comp is not over yet so writing the 4th placed side off now is perilous.
Come to think of it
Daniel with whom? Derrick Minnie maybe
Vermaak with whom?
Olivier… ja well here I’d say there are quite a few ahead of him
Alberts has had a poor season and he is an even bigger sack of lazy shit than Spies. He REALLY goes missing when the pressure is on.
Engelbrecht the same thing… would have gone maybe for someone like Aplon in his stead.
Jacques Potgieter with Jacques Botes maybe?
It’s not just the Bulls names in here that are surprising… there are some others too.
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Reply to Morné @ 10:05 pm:
Sorry yes he is… was putting kids to bed, came back and just hit post.
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Venter is Bulls Vodacom Cup and S15 center who played before WO came back.
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Okay then to start Morne off
On the plus side
Marcelle Coetzee
Eben Etsebeth
Adriaan Strauss
Pat Lambie
No Fourie Du Preez
No Victor Matfield
No Spies as skipper
No Luke Watson
He DOES have immense numbers of injured to contend with.
And of course superman Kempton brood Werner Kruger the Jeugland boytjie! Go Werner… hou Kempton se naam hoog!
June 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 10:51 pm:
No Spies as skipper
——
Hoe seker is jy daarvan?
As one joker on another site suggested:
Bulls will now be flooded with players
wanting a contract with them.
They’ll sign for cheap, knowing it’s the
way to the Bok team.
June 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
agree with a lot that has already been said. positives IMO is seeing guys like JJ Engelbrecht, Etsebeth, Marcel and Jaundre get a look in.
Sad to see the likes of JdJ, Aplon dropped.
But STormers beating the pinkies today was SWEET! Just for you HM!
Anyway go bokke! As long as the captain is not Spies!
June 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Keegan Daniel ahead of Kolisi?
June 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Waar is FduP?
Rapport het verlede Sondag op goeie gesag berig dat Du Preez die Bokke sou aanvoer en dat die vlugvoetige Francois Hougaard “geoffer’’ sou word om vir Du Preez plek te maak.
Du Preez en Meyer het Vrydag ontmoet. Meyer het gister gesê Du Preez het in die gesprek met hom gesê hy (Du Preez) ag sy spelpeil nie goed genoeg nie en voel daar is ander, jonger spelers wat hy dink bo hom ’n plek in die span verdien.
Meyer het op grond van dié gesprek besluit om af te sien van sy plan om Du Preez deel van sy toetsgroep te maak en hom met die kapteinskap toe te vertrou.
——–
Goeie gesag, of ‘n goeie duimsuig om
koerante te verkoop?
June 2nd, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Na ‘n drie kwart bottel johnny black lyk enige bok groep ok go bulle sorry bokke
June 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 am
Reply to DavidS @ 10:03 pm:
I’d take Alberts out… he’s has not had a bad test yet when he dons the Bok jersey… and with Vermeulen and Smith out he was always going to make the squad… the rest I agree with you on…
Mvovu over Aplon is also a strange one… he showed last night he has pace/power and that’s it… terrible positional play on defence, no step, no hands, no boot…
I’m laughing on the FDP front… how many times I said he might not even be included…
I presume JDV will be the interim captain until youngsters start putting their hands up?
NO JDJ either?
June 3rd, 2012 at 3:06 am
As punted the Bullfication of Bok rugby begins with kick and chase as the primary game plan?
I am happy to see Daniels as he has great linking play.
Jano, Jantjies, Kirchener, Meisiekind, Basson, JJ, Kanko, Pottie are suprises.
No Aplon, must be the size infatuation thing again for the kick and chase. He gets knocked backwards somes time but still has the technique to present the ball. Aplon over sideshow Bob any day.
Good to see Marcel in.
Time will tell.
June 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 am
Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 2:59 am:
Add Brussouw to that list of WTF?
Even in an average season he’s showing his value… Daniels is not an open-sider…
Both NZ and Aus have 3 world-class open-siders in their mix…
It must be said the Boks are looking decidely weak in all their loosies compared to the Aussies and Kiwi’s?
June 3rd, 2012 at 5:03 am
I’d have Grant before Jantjies, Aplon before Mvovo, JdJ before Olivier, and anybody before Kirchener.
Kanko and Basson….hmmmmm
No Brussouw
Spies……..
June 3rd, 2012 at 6:47 am
Well in the end it is his bed and he is making it. Just hope that he realise, going on the history in SA rugby, you don’t get a lot of opportunities to iron out the lumps afterwards.
I feel for Meyer. There is a huge expectation with his appointment. Some really surprising selections, but that is his prerogative.
Good luck to him. I would like to hear Brand’s take on how Heyneke could manage the expectations.
June 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 am
interesting….
I would not have gone for kEEganDaniel, but would have taken BruSSow- but then I DO have Orange coloured shades- courtesey of RW & oakley
No Aplon
Dont mind franscois Venter- the 12 with the “straightest Line”, since pensweSSels of the 80s
GO BOKKE!
June 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am
Jantjes is there to make up Affirmative numbers… so is the Chilli
Kevin the Bulls have by far scored the most tries of all the South African teams so far so saying “kick and chase” with the Bulls is kak…
June 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 am
Jantjes is there to make up Affirmative numbers… so is the Chilli
Kevin the Bulls have by far scored the most tries of all the South African teams so far so saying “kick and chase” with the Bulls is kak…
Morne Steyn and Zane Kirchner are two of the leading off loading and try assist and line break assist players in Super Rugby. THAT is not “kick and chase”
Bjorn Basson is second highest try scorer and Zane Kirchner and Pierre Spies are also in the Top 20 leading try scorers.
June 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am
Reply to DavidS @ 8:20 am:
So why not Kolisi?
Would have been a better choice than Keegan Daniel and would help the POC numbers.
June 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 11:40 am:
Geez I dunno… maybe because Keegan is more experienced and Siya is in his first season and Jantjes has already played for the Boks…
June 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
But Siya Kolisi IS in the participants group so he could conceivably still be called up.
June 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 12:36 pm:
Experience is not the defining point here – why Jacques Potgieter then?
Some selections can be argued on experience others are just plain baffling.
June 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Daniels is a cc player but no test player, kan aan 10 beter spelers dink as hy, sal sien wat maak hy in die naweek met sy span
June 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
I know
I’m speculating because some selections you think you can reason, but others when measured by the same criteria does not make sense.
Ag people always whinge about the selections of a Bok coach… let’s see what happens.
June 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
I saw Olivier and Verrmak and I had to quit looking.
Like someone said above – its his bed he is making.
II think 3 of the 5 SA S15 teams would beat England so I don’t think there is anything to sweat with this series.
When SA sees NZ and Aus…..that’s when we’ll see if “comfortable” translates to “liability”.
PS Agree on Kalisi from above. Fella played great but isn’t he a Kenyan (thickest i’ve ever seen if true) maybe thats why he didn’t make it – certainly not play.
Let’s see if Meyer will tempt fate with leaving Brussow out against Aus and NZ….
June 3rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
watching France semi-final and Bakkies having fun out there! He still has a few games in him for the bokke IMO.
June 3rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Seg ‘n vriend van my:
In die kwarteind van die WB het ons `n oormaat van balbesit gehad. Ons agtsteman het geen variasie agter die skrum gebied nie en ons losskakel kon die wedstryd nie dikteer nie.
Gister het die Bulle dieselfde probleem gehad. Dieselfde agtsteman en dieselfde losskakel.
En gisteraand is dieselfde agtsteman en dieselfde losskakel weer in die Springbokgroep.
June 3rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 6:38 pm:
Vreemd maar my siening van daardie kwarteind was juis dat ons losskakel NIE toegelaat is om die wedtsryd met die voet te dikteer nie… en indien hy was sou ons met gemak gewen het…
Hy het amper alles gehardloop…
June 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 7:28 pm:
Juis – hy het nie die spel gedikteer nie.
Dit beteken hy moes met groter oordeel
gespeel het.
June 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
ai ai ai party mense hier se wiskunde is blerrie swak
Ek lees hier daar is 10 Sharks en 1 Ulsterman? kom ek help so bietjie
1 Beast
2 Bismark
3 Jannie
4 Alberts
5 Kanko
6 Daniel
7 Lambie
8 JPP
9 Mvovo
10 F Steyn, was altyd n Sharks en is terug en het reeds geteken as n Sharks
11 Marcel Coetzee
Now although that makes 11, we all know Ruan is also a Shark
So i coulod argue 12, but to be non arguementative i will say 11 Sharks
June 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Reply to sharks_lover @ 8:35 pm:
11½?
June 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Reply to sharks_lover @ 8:35 pm:
Sjit, het daai Lions julle nie gister
op julle moer gegee nie!
Hulle het oor die jare die vieslike
gewoonte om spanne se drolle te klink.
June 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Yip, en dit was shark span met al 10 “bokke”! As hulle nie eens die 14e beste span in die Super 15 kan wen nie, hoe de donnner dink HisMajesty gaan hulle die Engelse klop???
June 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Reply to Bekke @ 8:49 pm:
Nou ja, daar is vreemde keuses, maar ek kan
ook nie juis dink aan baie spelers wat daar
moes gewees het nie.
Ons is maar arm op slot en senter.
June 4th, 2012 at 3:03 am
Very disappointed that FdP is not there. Hougaard’s passing and kicking has really not been up to standard this season.
Also surprised not to see Kolisi in the group.
I think the main reason for the low WP count is that their current S15 position is not as much the work of the players as that of the coach. You can only use his players with his game-plan if you have him in the team. The WP decision not to release him is now counting against the WP players.
June 4th, 2012 at 5:16 am
HM “We need to play a type of rugby typical to South African strengths.”
Oh really what kick and chase?
Who made up this story what our strengths are. The only reason our strenghts is not the backline play now is because of moronic mentalilty saying we dont have a tradition of running rugby. But we do expcet it was replaced by the dour Predictabull kick away possesion rugby even JW and co used.
HM is starting to worry me. Back to the dark ages that was shown to be crap by the Predictabulls by been beaten by the Stormers.
June 4th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Heard that the bokke will now be called bullsharks…
June 4th, 2012 at 8:00 am
My biggest concern is no Brussouw. Coetzee is no to-the-ball player – he plays 6 like a 7. He tackles everything that moves and can take the ball up. I do rate the guy – but as a blindside
It is not just about the fetching side – it is about having a speedy effective flank at our rucks – making sure the Pococks and McCaws can’t spoil
The big men have no idea how to protect the ball at the rucks.
Even Jake has now figured this out
June 4th, 2012 at 8:10 am
I think he will include Brussow when it comes time to play NZ and Aus.
England are predictable easy-beats ( or should be) so it emboldens HM to indulge his need for the “comfortable” i.e. big blue dudes.
I think this will evolve when facing good teams – away from home.
June 4th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Reply to Americano @ 8:10 am:
all depends on who England play at 7 (openside)
IMO lucky for SA that Armittage (Toulon Flanker) is in the final of the French Top 14 and won’t make the tour to SA.
BTW – Bakkies was awesome on Sunday!
June 4th, 2012 at 8:47 am
PS: poms play a similar game to SA and thus we will/should beat them because I think SA edge them in this department.
The biggest challenge will be the 4 Nations – PdV managed to win in NZ, will HM?
Can’t wait to find out!
June 4th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Reply to sharks_lover @ 8:35 pm:
Oh I accepted that
But for comleteness sake Frans is at the moment still contracted to Racing Metro and not the Sharks and Ruan is a former Sharks.
But if you want to be that technical we can always argue they’re both actually Cheetahs.
Reply to Boertjie @ 8:33 pm:
Die ou se primere sterkpunt is juis dat hy volgens gameplan speel vir sy coach… so om hom te blameer omdat hy die coach se gameplan gevolg het is darem baie onregverdig… daar was 14 ander ouens en drie coaches wat net so verantwoordelik daarvoor was.
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 8:47 am:
maybe living in Innsbruck has affected your mind… positively… same like Morne was a good commentator till he moved back to Simonstown…
Are you sure you’re a real WP supporter? There is way too much balance and intelligence in that remark…
June 4th, 2012 at 10:12 am
England are getting better, they are going to be up fot it. This is no Martin Johnson or RWC fakers (who gave up cos they knew it was fixed
). This is going to be harder than expected.
You need a spoiler and it does not have to be a dedicated spoiler but you need one. Some one that annoys, gets in the way slows the ball down Pocock/Maccaw type player. Guys like Robert Ebersholm, Bismarck, Daniels or Coennie. The player who gets over the ball, takes up space who causes bedlam. Someone like gogo gagdet arms lock we used to have(forgot his name).
Ideally you should have 15 of them on the field but guys like Spies could not even pick the ball up if it landed at its feet.
Reply to DavidS @ 9:44 am: we could go back and count where the player was born then the cape is not doing to bad.
Reply to Kevin_rack @ 5:16 am: at least we should win on penalties or drop kicks or we could bore them to death.
Ohh how about giving them possesion and we could tackle them to death. I really do hope I eat those words.
Dont worry it can get worse than snor or can it???