Heyneke’s first Boks

June 2, 2012
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So here they are:

Willem Alberts Sharks

Bjorn Basson Bulls

Marcell Coetzee Sharks

Keegan Daniel Sharks

Jean de Villiers Stormers

Bismarck du Plessis Sharks

Jannie du Plessis Sharks

JJ Engelbrecht Bulls

Eben Etzebeth Stormers

Bryan Habana Stormers

Francois Hougaard Bulls

Elton Jantjies Lions

Ryan Kankowski Sharks

Zane Kirchner Bulls

Juandré Kruger Bulls

Werner Kruger Bulls

Patrick Lambie Sharks

Tendai Mtawarira Sharks

Lwazi Mvovo Sharks

Wynand Olivier Bulls

Coenie Oosthuizen Cheetahs

Ruan Pienaar Ulster

JP Pietersen Sharks

Jacques Potgieter Bulls (I thought he’s injured?)

Chiliboy Ralepelle Bulls

Pierre Spies Bulls

Frans Steyn Sharks/Racing Metro

Morné Steyn Bulls

Adriaan Strauss Cheetahs

Flip van der Merwe Bulls

Franco van der Merwe Lions

Jano Vermaak Bulls

Nine uncapped players were included in the Springbok squad of 32 for the Castle Incoming Tour against England, named on Saturday in Pretoria by SARU CEO Jurie Roux and Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer.

The nine uncapped players are flanks Marcell Coetzee and Jacques Potgieter, locks Eben Etzebeth, Juandré Kruger and Franco van der Merwe, flyhalf Elton Jantjies, wing or centre JJ Engelbrecht, prop Coenie Oosthuizen and scrumhalf Jano Vermaak.

Jantjies and Oosthuizen toured with the Springboks at the end of the 2010 season and in the 2011 Castle Tri-Nations. Van der Merwe and Vermaak have previously played for the Emerging Springboks.

Meyer and the national selectors, Peter Jooste and Ian McIntosh, were unanimous when it came to finalising the squad. They have also recalled 15 members of the Rugby World Cup 2011 squad, while nine Rugby World Cup winners from 2007 remain in the squad.

The most experienced player in the squad is South Africa’s foremost Test try scorer Bryan Habana, with 74 caps. Six more players have played in excess of 40 Tests for South Africa.

“We were always looking to start the season with an experienced squad to face England, but injuries to certain players and the non-availability of others have made it difficult,” said Meyer.

“What we‘ve lost in experience, we’ve made up in passion and desire to play for the Springboks.

“We have put together a squad with a nice balance between a number of veterans and players with less experience as we start to build for the rest of the season.

“Working with these players during our four Planning Camps this season has been great and really made a very difficult selection process a bit easier. There were a few unlucky players that didn’t make it and they will get opportunities in future as long as they keep on knocking on the door.

“The nine uncapped players have all put up their hands during Vodacom Super Rugby this year and we know they have what it takes to succeed at the highest level.

“We realise that it is impossible to please everyone when it comes to selecting squads like these, but we would really like to see the entire country stand behind us as we take on England.”

Furthermore, six promising players have been added to the Springbok squad for the next three weeks. They are not eligible for selection but will train with the squad in Durban, Johannesburg and Port Elizabeth.

The six up-and-coming players are Siya Kolisi (flank), Arno Botha (No 8), Frans Malherbe (prop), CJ Stander (loose forward), Francois Venter (centre) and Piet van Zyl (scrumhalf).

Meyer said: “We feel that these players have what it takes to play for the Springboks and they were close to selection in the final squad. However, these three weeks provide the ideal opportunity to work with them, show them what the Springbok culture is all about and hopefully put them on the right track to play for South Africa sooner rather than later. By doing this now, we will reap the dividends going forward.

“We also rate a number of great players in the South African Under-20 squad, but they were not considered at this stage due to the fact that they are playing in a very important Junior World Championship.”

Okay so to end some conjecture… obviously FDP didn’t make it as Rapport claimed he would… I love the egg on their faces yet again… Only three Stormers guys made it, so in all likelihood that is going to give rise to hysterics south of the Hex River.

From a provincial standpoint, the Bulls and Sharks have the highest number of representatives in the Boks.

Bulls – 12, Sharks – 10, Stormers – 3, Lions – 2, Cheetahs – 2 and Ulster’s Ruan Pienaar makes up the squad.

However the inclusion of the likes of JJ Engelbrecht, Marcelle Coetzee, Jacques Potgieter and Eben Etzebeth shows he is including exciting attacking and form players. So in a way he’s loyal to experience whilst also looking for new directions.

I’m in two minds… there are always going to be unlucky players like Peter Grant, Juan De Jongh, Derrick Minnie and maybe Deon Fourie, but on the whole the team is a good one.

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87 Comments

  1. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:13 pm

    Three Stormers only

    So

    Does this mean the coach rejects their gameplan?

    No skipper named

    Jisis I can see there are going to be some hysterical Cape Spanish!

  2. avatar out wide says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 9:13 pm: Ha ha and 13 Blou/Pienks – ja maak hulle almal bokke. JJ Engelbrecht too???

  3. avatar Morné says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    Dawie, going to gooi the official SA Rugby release if you dont mind.

  4. avatar out wide says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 pm

    How many minutes of Superugby has Vermaak played this year?

  5. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Morne just edit this post

  6. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 pm

    Morne no worries I have it and I’ll do it. Just wanted it up quickly

  7. avatar Morné says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm

    No fourie du Preez or am I blind?

    Who is captain?

  8. avatar out wide says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 9:13 pm: You are right – probably why Meyer said “we would really like to see the entire country stand behind us as we take on England.”

  9. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    I count 12 Bulls Outwide
    10 shocks
    3 Stormpies
    2 cheaters
    2 lyins
    1 ulsterette

    =

    30

  10. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    By far the most deserving name NOT
    there is Kolisi.
    This guy is going to prove blacks
    can get there on pure merit.
    By far the best loosie in the country
    IMO.
    Only 20, so his time will come.

  11. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 9:28 pm:

    No skipper named Morne

  12. avatar Morné says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm

    O fok, Cape media gaan befok gaan oor hierdie span!!!

  13. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Even in the release and interview no skipper is named and as you saw Rapport got it wrong…

  14. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 9:28 pm:

    Ja, ‘n paar manne se name is weer GAT.
    FduP?
    Mind you, ek is nie mal oor Vermaak
    of Hougaard nie. Tiger Pienaar?

  15. avatar Morné says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 9:32 pm:

    AGAIN! Shame Rapport guys must check their sauces.

  16. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm

    Meisiekind over De Jongh?

    BTW has he run out of peroxide?

  17. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 9:32 pm:

    Cheap, sensational journalism.
    That’s why I read no Afrikaans rugby journo,
    possible exception is Stephen Nell.
    They put journalism to shame.

  18. avatar Henlo says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm

    Tough on Aplon, JDJ and Brussow. Some exciting new players. Biggest shock must be J Potgieter! Don’t back that call. I think Spies will be named captain.

  19. avatar Bekke says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Not just the Cape media mate! Let me call it: It’s a disgrace!!!!! Again the unrated Stormers front row nailed the Pienkes tonight, but their names are nowhere! Aplon is MILES better than Basson or Kirchner – but then he is not a bull(shit). Sharks has 3 decent games so far, and what the hell in Kakofski doing there!!! Etzebet has been shown he has another 2 years at least to talk with the big boys – clearly a bit of damage control by Meyer. And Spies is ‘n nat drol…

    As in the past, all Meyer’s talk was not backed with practice – hope he gets a reality check soon!

  20. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 pm

    Reply to Henlo @ 9:35 pm:

    Then he must be an exceptional leader,
    because he’s a shit player.

  21. avatar Henlo says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    And Olivier Another shock imo.

  22. avatar Henlo says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 9:38 pm: I don’t like him either, but have a feeling Meyer will go that way. In my eyes it should be JdV out of this group.

  23. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Reply to Henlo @ 9:39 pm:

    Well, Heyneke knows him –
    as a shit player.
    I’ll back the team of course, but
    Heyneke is a bit over the top
    with his his loyalty to Bulls –
    then he tries to balance it with
    two shit Sharks nominees.

  24. avatar Morné says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 pm

    Okay I have a real problem with one name there – Jacques Potgieter?

    You must be fucking kidding me…

  25. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 9:41 pm:

    Easy answer – he’s a Bull.
    I’m disappointed with this squad,
    not just from a Cape perspective.
    Meisiekind, Potgieter, Daniel, Kankakski.

  26. avatar Bekke says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm

    Bulls were nowhere last year – when Heyneke was really the man in charge! Got nothing from Currie cup or S15. Now he thinks he can beat the WORLD with his blue golf buddies, and the collective game plan of his blue management team! Our only saving grace will be a thumping from the English for he and his blue bull management team to smell the roses.

  27. avatar out wide says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Is Brussouw injured or being “rested” for the bigger tests to come? English will be pouring over the 5 Bulls losses this year to see how to beat the Boks.

  28. avatar Bekke says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Brussouw is not a Blue Bull – so no springbok cap this year!

  29. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm

    Reply to out wide @ 9:46 pm:

    I’m afraid from my perspective
    Brussow’s time is over.

  30. avatar Morné says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Just reading comments on social media, Heyneke best not lose next weekend. Some really fucked of folk out there.

  31. avatar out wide says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 9:48 pm: Admittedly, Brussouw has not been at his former level this year but then there are a few Blue Boks in the side that are surely there on reputation, some with bad reputations and some with no reputation.

  32. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    BTW what is the official Bok logo?
    They already have that flower in a
    primary school badge in the left breast -
    must they still have it over the Bok as
    well?
    And those awful ANC green and yellow ties
    worn by the announcers of the squad?

  33. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 9:51 pm:

    Enlighten us?

  34. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Reply to out wide @ 9:51 pm:

    Size. HM is going for bulk.
    Just a pity Spies is just a bulky
    bag of shit.

  35. avatar Henlo says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    Meyer is clearly also a believer that a fetcher is only meant to get the beers! Who will play 6? Daniel or Coetsee?

  36. avatar Bekke says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm

    Boertjie, I disagree that Spies is bag of shit – no reason to discredit “bags” on this site!!! He is 100% pure koei shit (die plof soort, van die pienk koeie met die blou balle!!!!!)

  37. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm

    Reply to Henlo @ 9:53 pm:

    Well, he should select Coenie O then.
    2nd best stealer in the S15, not?

  38. avatar Henlo says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 9:57 pm: Along with Bismarck they should steal a couple of balls.

  39. avatar Bekke says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm

    Hope Chilieboy is hooker – Bismark is kak.
    No real flyhalve apart from pornking Steyn – Ruan says he wants to play scrummie. So expect boring 10 man rugby – the same that has not bring ANY success for the Bulls teh last 2 years…

  40. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    There is no open side flanker in this group no?

    Shockers for me:

    Daniel
    Vermaak
    Olivier
    Alberts
    Engelbrecht

  41. avatar out wide says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 9:51 pm: Ha ha – you might be viewing the comments of a pretty skewed sample of Bok supporters there mate. All the ones who would laud this side have switched off the blogsites to digest their team’s loss tonight.

    One of the supporters of this side will be Hugh Bladen. The selectors have backed up his “Bulls have the best wing-fullback combination in the competition” tonight by picking 2 of the 3. I still say there are a lot of people in Christchurch, Hamilton and Wellington that will dispute that brag.

  42. avatar Morné says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 10:03 pm:

    None.

    But Potgieter not a shocker to you?

  43. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Meyer and the national selectors, Peter Jooste and Ian McIntosh, were unanimous when it came to finalising the squad.

    OK, so there are 3 Stooges, not one.

    Who the hell is Arno Botha and Francois Venter?

  44. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Fok en daar dog ek hm sou die beste spelers kies soos hy gese het hoop vir sy part sy blou bokke wen volgende naweek hy stel my teleur het gedog hy sou anders wees maar my pa het altyd gese die ou het ‘n eier geplant en gedog daar gaan ‘n hoender opkom my johnny black saam met die stormers se wen oor die koeie maak darem die aand beter

  45. avatar Morné says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    Ek belowe ek sal niks kak skryf van die Bulle of Heyneke volgende week nie! Njannies!

    Cheers okes!

    No matter what we think, Heyneke’s team has to go out and win the shit, get behind your coach!

    It is all Bokke for the next 3 weeks!

  46. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 pm

    So who has a gripe?

    In the Stormers no forwards certainly… maybe Fourie, but what about Aplon? Maybe De Jongh and Grant. Schalk, Bekker, Vermeulen, Pietersen. None of the others have shown any abilities to qualify them for national honours.

    In the Cheetahs Willie Le Roux FOR CERTAIN deserved a look into the squad. but amongst their forwards nobody really and nobody else in the backline.

    Lions… well maybe Minnie and Caleb Oosthuizen

    Sharks… nobody else really.

    In truth this squad says more about the toll taken by injuries in this stupid S15 as well as the lack of depth in SA than about the performances of specific players in teams.

    Up to three weeks ago the Bulls certainly were challenging for top spot in S15 and even held it for a short while. The comp is not over yet so writing the 4th placed side off now is perilous.

    Come to think of it

    Daniel with whom? Derrick Minnie maybe
    Vermaak with whom?
    Olivier… ja well here I’d say there are quite a few ahead of him
    Alberts has had a poor season and he is an even bigger sack of lazy shit than Spies. He REALLY goes missing when the pressure is on.
    Engelbrecht the same thing… would have gone maybe for someone like Aplon in his stead.
    Jacques Potgieter with Jacques Botes maybe?

    It’s not just the Bulls names in here that are surprising… there are some others too.

  47. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 10:05 pm:
    Sorry yes he is… was putting kids to bed, came back and just hit post.

  48. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Venter is Bulls Vodacom Cup and S15 center who played before WO came back.

  49. avatar DavidS says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    Okay then to start Morne off

    On the plus side

    Marcelle Coetzee
    Eben Etsebeth
    Adriaan Strauss
    Pat Lambie

    No Fourie Du Preez
    No Victor Matfield
    No Spies as skipper
    No Luke Watson

    He DOES have immense numbers of injured to contend with.

    And of course superman Kempton brood Werner Kruger the Jeugland boytjie! Go Werner… hou Kempton se naam hoog!

  50. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 10:51 pm:

    No Spies as skipper
    ——
    Hoe seker is jy daarvan?

    As one joker on another site suggested:
    Bulls will now be flooded with players
    wanting a contract with them.
    They’ll sign for cheap, knowing it’s the
    way to the Bok team.

    :jester:

  51. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm

    agree with a lot that has already been said. positives IMO is seeing guys like JJ Engelbrecht, Etsebeth, Marcel and Jaundre get a look in.

    Sad to see the likes of JdJ, Aplon dropped.

    But STormers beating the pinkies today was SWEET! Just for you HM! ;-)

    Anyway go bokke! As long as the captain is not Spies!

  52. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    Keegan Daniel ahead of Kolisi?
    :bangheadt:

  53. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Waar is FduP?
    Rapport het verlede Sondag op goeie gesag berig dat Du Preez die Bokke sou aanvoer en dat die vlugvoetige Francois Hougaard “geoffer’’ sou word om vir Du Preez plek te maak.
    Du Preez en Meyer het Vrydag ontmoet. Meyer het gister gesê Du Preez het in die gesprek met hom gesê hy (Du Preez) ag sy spelpeil nie goed genoeg nie en voel daar is ander, jonger spelers wat hy dink bo hom ’n plek in die span verdien.
    Meyer het op grond van dié gesprek besluit om af te sien van sy plan om Du Preez deel van sy toetsgroep te maak en hom met die kapteinskap toe te vertrou.
    ——–
    Goeie gesag, of ‘n goeie duimsuig om
    koerante te verkoop?

  54. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    June 2nd, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Na ‘n drie kwart bottel johnny black lyk enige bok groep ok go bulle sorry bokke

  55. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 am

    Reply to DavidS @ 10:03 pm:

    I’d take Alberts out… he’s has not had a bad test yet when he dons the Bok jersey… and with Vermeulen and Smith out he was always going to make the squad… the rest I agree with you on…

    Mvovu over Aplon is also a strange one… he showed last night he has pace/power and that’s it… terrible positional play on defence, no step, no hands, no boot…

    I’m laughing on the FDP front… how many times I said he might not even be included…

    I presume JDV will be the interim captain until youngsters start putting their hands up?

    NO JDJ either?

  56. avatar Kevin_rack says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 3:06 am

    As punted the Bullfication of Bok rugby begins with kick and chase as the primary game plan?

    I am happy to see Daniels as he has great linking play.
    Jano, Jantjies, Kirchener, Meisiekind, Basson, JJ, Kanko, Pottie are suprises.

    No Aplon, must be the size infatuation thing again for the kick and chase. He gets knocked backwards somes time but still has the technique to present the ball. Aplon over sideshow Bob any day.

    Good to see Marcel in.

    Time will tell.

  57. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 3:12 am

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 2:59 am:

    Add Brussouw to that list of WTF?

    Even in an average season he’s showing his value… Daniels is not an open-sider…

    Both NZ and Aus have 3 world-class open-siders in their mix…

    It must be said the Boks are looking decidely weak in all their loosies compared to the Aussies and Kiwi’s?

  58. avatar mawm says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 5:03 am

    I’d have Grant before Jantjies, Aplon before Mvovo, JdJ before Olivier, and anybody before Kirchener.

    Kanko and Basson….hmmmmm

    No Brussouw :what:

    Spies…….. :Dawie:

  59. avatar Deon says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 6:47 am

    Well in the end it is his bed and he is making it. Just hope that he realise, going on the history in SA rugby, you don’t get a lot of opportunities to iron out the lumps afterwards.

    I feel for Meyer. There is a huge expectation with his appointment. Some really surprising selections, but that is his prerogative.

    Good luck to him. I would like to hear Brand’s take on how Heyneke could manage the expectations.

  60. avatar Oranje Orakel says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 am

    interesting….

    I would not have gone for kEEganDaniel, but would have taken BruSSow- but then I DO have Orange coloured shades- courtesey of RW & oakley

    No Aplon :what:

    Dont mind franscois Venter- the 12 with the “straightest Line”, since pensweSSels of the 80s

    GO BOKKE!

  61. avatar DavidS says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am

    Jantjes is there to make up Affirmative numbers… so is the Chilli

    Kevin the Bulls have by far scored the most tries of all the South African teams so far so saying “kick and chase” with the Bulls is kak…

  62. avatar DavidS says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 am

    Jantjes is there to make up Affirmative numbers… so is the Chilli

    Kevin the Bulls have by far scored the most tries of all the South African teams so far so saying “kick and chase” with the Bulls is kak…

    Morne Steyn and Zane Kirchner are two of the leading off loading and try assist and line break assist players in Super Rugby. THAT is not “kick and chase”

    Bjorn Basson is second highest try scorer and Zane Kirchner and Pierre Spies are also in the Top 20 leading try scorers.

  63. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Reply to DavidS @ 8:20 am:

    So why not Kolisi? :Dawie:
    Would have been a better choice than Keegan Daniel and would help the POC numbers.

  64. avatar DavidS says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 11:40 am:

    Geez I dunno… maybe because Keegan is more experienced and Siya is in his first season and Jantjes has already played for the Boks…

  65. avatar DavidS says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    But Siya Kolisi IS in the participants group so he could conceivably still be called up.

  66. avatar Morné says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 12:36 pm:

    Experience is not the defining point here – why Jacques Potgieter then?

    Some selections can be argued on experience others are just plain baffling.

  67. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Daniels is a cc player but no test player, kan aan 10 beter spelers dink as hy, sal sien wat maak hy in die naweek met sy span

  68. avatar DavidS says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    I know
    I’m speculating because some selections you think you can reason, but others when measured by the same criteria does not make sense.
    Ag people always whinge about the selections of a Bok coach… let’s see what happens.

  69. avatar Americano says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    I saw Olivier and Verrmak and I had to quit looking.
    Like someone said above – its his bed he is making.
    II think 3 of the 5 SA S15 teams would beat England so I don’t think there is anything to sweat with this series.
    When SA sees NZ and Aus…..that’s when we’ll see if “comfortable” translates to “liability”.

    PS Agree on Kalisi from above. Fella played great but isn’t he a Kenyan (thickest i’ve ever seen if true) maybe thats why he didn’t make it – certainly not play.
    Let’s see if Meyer will tempt fate with leaving Brussow out against Aus and NZ….

  70. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm

    watching France semi-final and Bakkies having fun out there! He still has a few games in him for the bokke IMO.
    :applause:

  71. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    Seg ‘n vriend van my:

    In die kwarteind van die WB het ons `n oormaat van balbesit gehad. Ons agtsteman het geen variasie agter die skrum gebied nie en ons losskakel kon die wedstryd nie dikteer nie.
    Gister het die Bulle dieselfde probleem gehad. Dieselfde agtsteman en dieselfde losskakel.
    En gisteraand is dieselfde agtsteman en dieselfde losskakel weer in die Springbokgroep.
    :fishing:

  72. avatar DavidS says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 7:28 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 6:38 pm:

    Vreemd maar my siening van daardie kwarteind was juis dat ons losskakel NIE toegelaat is om die wedtsryd met die voet te dikteer nie… en indien hy was sou ons met gemak gewen het…

    Hy het amper alles gehardloop…

  73. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 7:28 pm:

    Juis – hy het nie die spel gedikteer nie.
    Dit beteken hy moes met groter oordeel
    gespeel het.

  74. avatar sharks_lover says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    ai ai ai party mense hier se wiskunde is blerrie swak :poop:

    Ek lees hier daar is 10 Sharks en 1 Ulsterman? kom ek help so bietjie :mrgreen:

    1 Beast
    2 Bismark
    3 Jannie
    4 Alberts
    5 Kanko
    6 Daniel
    7 Lambie
    8 JPP
    9 Mvovo
    10 F Steyn, was altyd n Sharks en is terug en het reeds geteken as n Sharks
    11 Marcel Coetzee

    Now although that makes 11, we all know Ruan is also a Shark :lol:

    So i coulod argue 12, but to be non arguementative i will say 11 Sharks :wink:

  75. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 pm

    Reply to sharks_lover @ 8:35 pm:

    11½?

  76. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    Reply to sharks_lover @ 8:35 pm:

    Sjit, het daai Lions julle nie gister
    op julle moer gegee nie!
    :muahaha:
    Hulle het oor die jare die vieslike
    gewoonte om spanne se drolle te klink.

  77. avatar Bekke says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    Yip, en dit was shark span met al 10 “bokke”! As hulle nie eens die 14e beste span in die Super 15 kan wen nie, hoe de donnner dink HisMajesty gaan hulle die Engelse klop???

  78. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Reply to Bekke @ 8:49 pm:

    Nou ja, daar is vreemde keuses, maar ek kan
    ook nie juis dink aan baie spelers wat daar
    moes gewees het nie.
    Ons is maar arm op slot en senter.

  79. avatar Timeo says:
    June 4th, 2012 at 3:03 am

    Very disappointed that FdP is not there. Hougaard’s passing and kicking has really not been up to standard this season.

    Also surprised not to see Kolisi in the group.

    I think the main reason for the low WP count is that their current S15 position is not as much the work of the players as that of the coach. You can only use his players with his game-plan if you have him in the team. The WP decision not to release him is now counting against the WP players.

  80. avatar Kevin_rack says:
    June 4th, 2012 at 5:16 am

    HM “We need to play a type of rugby typical to South African strengths.”

    Oh really what kick and chase?
    Who made up this story what our strengths are. The only reason our strenghts is not the backline play now is because of moronic mentalilty saying we dont have a tradition of running rugby. But we do expcet it was replaced by the dour Predictabull kick away possesion rugby even JW and co used.

    HM is starting to worry me. Back to the dark ages that was shown to be crap by the Predictabulls by been beaten by the Stormers.

  81. avatar Bekke says:
    June 4th, 2012 at 7:09 am

    Heard that the bokke will now be called bullsharks…

  82. avatar Bokhoring says:
    June 4th, 2012 at 8:00 am

    My biggest concern is no Brussouw. Coetzee is no to-the-ball player – he plays 6 like a 7. He tackles everything that moves and can take the ball up. I do rate the guy – but as a blindside

    It is not just about the fetching side – it is about having a speedy effective flank at our rucks – making sure the Pococks and McCaws can’t spoil

    The big men have no idea how to protect the ball at the rucks.

    Even Jake has now figured this out

  83. avatar Americano says:
    June 4th, 2012 at 8:10 am

    I think he will include Brussow when it comes time to play NZ and Aus.
    England are predictable easy-beats ( or should be) so it emboldens HM to indulge his need for the “comfortable” i.e. big blue dudes.
    I think this will evolve when facing good teams – away from home.

  84. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 4th, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Reply to Americano @ 8:10 am:

    all depends on who England play at 7 (openside)
    IMO lucky for SA that Armittage (Toulon Flanker) is in the final of the French Top 14 and won’t make the tour to SA.

    BTW – Bakkies was awesome on Sunday! :wave:

  85. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 4th, 2012 at 8:47 am

    PS: poms play a similar game to SA and thus we will/should beat them because I think SA edge them in this department.
    The biggest challenge will be the 4 Nations – PdV managed to win in NZ, will HM?
    Can’t wait to find out! :support:

  86. avatar DavidS says:
    June 4th, 2012 at 9:44 am

    Reply to sharks_lover @ 8:35 pm:

    Oh I accepted that

    But for comleteness sake Frans is at the moment still contracted to Racing Metro and not the Sharks and Ruan is a former Sharks.

    But if you want to be that technical we can always argue they’re both actually Cheetahs.

    Reply to Boertjie @ 8:33 pm:

    Die ou se primere sterkpunt is juis dat hy volgens gameplan speel vir sy coach… so om hom te blameer omdat hy die coach se gameplan gevolg het is darem baie onregverdig… daar was 14 ander ouens en drie coaches wat net so verantwoordelik daarvoor was.

    Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 8:47 am:
    Are you sure you’re a real WP supporter? There is way too much balance and intelligence in that remark… :soek: :twisted: :wink: maybe living in Innsbruck has affected your mind… positively… same like Morne was a good commentator till he moved back to Simonstown…

  87. avatar Kevin_rack says:
    June 4th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    England are getting better, they are going to be up fot it. This is no Martin Johnson or RWC fakers (who gave up cos they knew it was fixed :pot: ). This is going to be harder than expected.

    You need a spoiler and it does not have to be a dedicated spoiler but you need one. Some one that annoys, gets in the way slows the ball down Pocock/Maccaw type player. Guys like Robert Ebersholm, Bismarck, Daniels or Coennie. The player who gets over the ball, takes up space who causes bedlam. Someone like gogo gagdet arms lock we used to have(forgot his name).

    Ideally you should have 15 of them on the field but guys like Spies could not even pick the ball up if it landed at its feet.

    Reply to DavidS @ 9:44 am: we could go back and count where the player was born then the cape is not doing to bad.

    Reply to Kevin_rack @ 5:16 am: at least we should win on penalties or drop kicks or we could bore them to death.
    Ohh how about giving them possesion and we could tackle them to death. I really do hope I eat those words.

    Dont worry it can get worse than snor or can it???

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