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Springboks 22 v England 17 FT

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Heyneke Meyer’s Boks will make their debut today against England in Durban – a test that will set the tone for Meyer’s tenure as Bok coach.

Recent results:
2010:
South Africa won 21-11 in London
2008: South Africa won 42-6 in London
2007: South Africa won 15-6 in Paris
2007: South Africa won 36-0 in Paris
2007: South Africa won 55-22 in Pretoria
2007: South Africa won 58-10 in Bloemfontein
2006: South Africa won 25-14 in London
2006: England won 23-21 in London
2004: England won 32-16 in London
2003: England won 25-6 in Perth

Teams:

South Africa: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jean de Villiers (captain), 12 Francois Steyn, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis (vice-captain), 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Keegan Daniel, 20 Ruan Pienaar, 21 Patrick Lambie, 22 Wynand Olivier.

England: 15 Mike Brown, 14 Chris Ashton, 13 Manu Tuilagi, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Ben Foden, 10 Owen Farrell, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Ben Morgan, 7 Chris Robshaw (captain), 6 Tom Johnson, 5 Geoff Parling, 4 Mouritz Botha, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Dylan Hartley, 1 Joe Marler.
Replacements: 16 Lee Mears, 17 Paul Doran-Jones, 18 Tom Palmer, 19 Phil Dowson, 20 Lee Dickson, 21 Toby Flood, 22 Jonathan Joseph.

Date: Saturday, June 9
Venue: Kings Park, Durban
Kick-off: 17.05 (15.00 GMT)
Referee: Steve Walsh (Australia)
Predicted weather: 60% chance of rain, wind 10-20 km/h, high of 17 low of 12
Assistant referees: Alain Rolland (Ireland), Simon McDowell (Ireland)
TMO: Iain Ramage (Scotland)

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  1. Poms are up for it – watching on SKY and they are pretty confident! One commentator even said Bokke are going soft and it is time for the English to prove a point :roll:

    o fok bokke – you better win, my assist coach is a pom and I will never hear the end of it!!

  2. way too predictable by the bokke – poms just need to tackle low and contest, sooner or later they get the turn-over.
    Please tell Hougie to STOP KICKING!! We look much better on attack – Frans wants more BALL!

  3. Bokke playing like kak. Marcell who? Poms turning it over when it matters. No real backline moves. At this stage it is anybody’s game. Although 6-6 at ht will give them a huge amount of confidence.

    Cheers

  4. And in other breaking news we just received a call from heyneke Meyer. My little girl will be replacing spies in next weeks game because he feels that she will have the same impact…

    Cheers

  5. 78′ Steyn pen

    22-12 and ten point cushion…

    Gritty would best describe this performance…

    And for Hm’s first test

    Against the main stream odds it’s mission accomplished…

  6. Bokke will get better is about all I can say now…
    Ai we are SOOO much better than what we are showing but a win is a win and Mission accomplished! :wave:

  7. And the Poms have a try through Foden… on 80′

    Unconveretd and final score

    22-17 Bokke

    Lelik maar darem is hy daar!

  8. Reply to DavidS @ 6:58 pm:

    Brussouw or Derek Mini?
    We need a fetcher to combat guys like Johnson/Robshaw. Nevermind Pocock, McCaw etc!

    unbelievable that we do not have MORE fetchers in SA – none I can think of that are any decent! Kolisi is NOT a fetcher, Botes not good enough and Burger also not a real fetcher when he is back.

    I liked the impact Strauss and Oosthuizen brought to the game, Frans gave good go forward from midfield. This will give the Bokke a huge amount of confidence and they will raise their game next week by 30%!

  9. LO = ok but needs some more work!
    Scrum = very good especially with FR of Coennie, Strauss and JdP – Flip also helped n the 2nd row.

    Team next week IMO:
    1. Coennie
    2. Strauss
    3. Jdp
    4. Flip
    5. Juandre
    6. Brussouw
    7. Marcel
    8. Alberts
    9. RP
    10. Lambie
    11. Habs
    12. Frans
    13. JdV
    14. JPP
    15. Zane
    bench: Bissi, Beast, Etzebeth, Kolisi, Keegan, Hougie, Morne

  10. Well, I’m happy. Boks much better after HT.
    Coenie made a difference, so did Tiger at 9.
    Alberts to 8, Spies to history books,
    Brussow at 7.
    Coenie with first touch of the ball made
    10 more yards than Spies in entire game.
    This side has the makings of a very good one.

  11. Reply to Boertjie @ 7:31 pm:

    Eben was not too hot but mainly because he got the ball standing – he needs to take a run up!
    Spies – bad body position but there is nothing new! :roll:
    Marcel a bit light but tried his heart out and kept going the whole game!
    Flip made an impact
    Jaundre did a Mtafield – not bad for a 1st test.

  12. Reply to Boertjie @ 7:32 pm:

    JdV is in his element as a strike runner at either 11 or 13 IMO – still has pace too!
    Frans will get better when he gets to know his team mates again.
    Hougie disapointed me, he looks good when PLAYING but KICKING is not his game, RP much better all round player.

  13. Reply to Boertjie @ 7:32 pm:

    Don’t be sorry!

    I’ve always been a JDV fan… it’s shieldsie that hates him and Habana…

    As I said after that second try

    Shieldsie must be furious…

    Habana and De Villiers involved in setting up a try…. and he says they are useless…

  14. Bismarck needs to get his line out throws sorted.
    Hougaard fucked around behind the rucks.
    Etzebeth needs to assess the situation better when he gets the ball and not stand still.
    Morne had a decent game.
    The combo with Frans and JdV worked well.
    Lambie in for Zane who did nothing.
    Habana and Willem my two men of the match.

    The Boks struggled to get to the ruck in numbers in good time in the first half, but second half got that right, overall I was rather satisfied with how we played the second half.

    We will only be better next week.

  15. Spies’ days are counted… or he’s being relegated to “try again” status…

    Like Brussouw.

    Suspect he needs a mind coach.

  16. Gurthro looks like he is enjoying the GOOD life in France – must 15kg overweight :whistling:
    even Bakkies starting to develop a gut! :mrgreen:

  17. Hougaard is no FDP.

    Zane may have done nothing but he also did nothing wrong so would stick with him for the time being.

    10-12-13 was our best combination along with the 1-2-3 of JDP, Oosthuizen and Strauss.

    HM has something to work with.

    Oh and Methos’ boet had a great game too.

  18. Reply to DavidS @ 7:46 pm:

    Hougaard is no FDP.

    Jip, said it all along. Proven correct
    again re Spies.
    Got it wrong with Habs – best test since,
    well, way back.
    Zane not bad either.
    Eben has to learn how to be affective – i.e.
    not receiving ball standing.

  19. Boer dis Etzebeth se eerste seisoen van Super Rugby en sy heel eerste toets game…

    Ek’s bereid om die outjie slack te sny.

    As mens “step up” dan kan die senuwees soms erg knaag aan die self vertroue.

    Ek sien dit met ons Krav Maga en BJJ. As jy op is teen iemand wat skilled is en jy weet dit dan kan die senbuwees soms veroorsaak dat jy stupid goed doen omdat jy so gestel is daarop om die regte ding te doen, dat jy jou instinkte oorheers en kak droog maak.

    Twee weke terug het ek teen ‘n Judo outjie gefight wat baie goed “sweep”, en ek was so gestel daarop om hom “reg” te skop dat toe hy langs my inkom het ek wragtig probeer om te skop, maar dit was ‘n lui een op die verkeerde tyd toe gryp hy my been en “sweep” hy my ander een en ek val my gat af.

    Goed hy het toe ‘n fout gemaak want hy was self effe te windgat en ek het gewen, maar hy het getap en ek kan vir twee weke nie fokken fight nie, want my spoiere om my heup is beseer.

    Punt is gee Etzebeth kaans om gewoond te raak.

    Hy’s goed genoeg op die vlak… eerste toets is beter as wat matrfield en Bekker s’n was!

  20. Baie positiewe ten spyte daarvan dat dit ver van ons beste was. Heyneke het sy reserwes effektief en vroeg genoeg gebruik. Kon ons gameplan verander na halftyd. Een van Morne se beter toetse met bal in hand en op verdediging(afgesien van sy skoppe). Ook een van JDup se beter toetse. JdV het sy man gestaan op buitesenter!

  21. The HM/McFarland defensive system in use at the Bulls since sometime last year is to hold the ball carrier upright and drive him back.

    Holding up is to slow play down so your defensive lines can reset. Driving the ball carrier back disrupts the offensive momentum.

    A turnover can be effected by ripping the ball from the carrier or via mistakes by the offense or perhaps on the collapsed maul.

    Fetcher style competing on the ground is all but impossible.

    Thus the pure fetcher flank is obsolete. Note how Stegman has moved down the Bulls pecking order. Brussow will have to re-invent his game to be a contender again, once guys like Burger and Potgieter are healthy there will be even less space for him under this system.

  22. Reply to Henlo @ 8:49 pm:

    Ja, dis die ander groot verskil tussen HM
    en daai poephol Snor:
    HM het die regte ouens op die bank gehad,
    en hulle baie goed aangewend.

  23. The only changes I would make for next week is to move Flip vd Merwe and Pienaar into the staring 15 with Etsebet and Hougaard on the bench. Drop Olivier from the 22 for an extra forward on the bench.

  24. Reply to Boertjie @ 8:53 pm:

    Because the teams Pocock plays in, do not play that system.

    I’m not sold on it. There are a number of weaknesses I can think of but HM clearly is.

    We shall see.

    It is anyway the only good reason I can think of for Brussow’s omission.

    The Stormers’ system is not exactly the same. I cannot really figure it out but I think it relies more on defensive organization. Unlike the Bulls they still drop the player and compete on the ground.

  25. Reply to Timeo @ 8:55 pm:

    Agree.
    And dropping Spies.
    Interesting shot of Strauss addressing
    the forwards at one stage, not Spies.
    And start with Lambie at 15.
    And maybe giving Coenie a start at 1 or 3.
    Good start, rectifying most shortcomings
    as they went along.

  26. Reply to Boertjie @ 9:09 pm:

    Kirchner was not my 1st choice but he was absolutely solid. Kicked well and was effective running the ball back. I will stick with him.

    Lambie I saw nothing of. Perhaps because the Boks had all the ball in he 2nd half but he should have been more prominent in the last 5min.

    Coenie gave away too many hinging penalties in the S15 to be entrusted with a start yet. Somebody needs to correct his pre-hit posture first.

    On Spies you are a broken record.

  27. Reply to Boertjie @ 9:09 pm:

    When Strauss came on, the English commentators said that he was the vice-captain, so him and not Spies addressing the forwards would be appropriate.

  28. Reply to Timeo @ 9:23 pm:

    Yes, Spies has broken the record for
    an incompetent player being reselected
    so many times. His powerless bodybuilers
    physique must have a blinding effect.

    I wonder what would have happened in the
    case of JdeV going off, with Strauss not
    being on the field?
    I thought vice-captains usually starts a game?

  29. Reply to Boertjie @ 10:26 pm:

    I don’t care much for vendettas and slander against specific players.

    If you think a player makes mistakes then point them out. If you think there is a better option then promote that.

  30. I’ve never seen Jorrie Muller play but I’m certain he does not deserve the things that people say about him on the blogs either.

    It’s beyond common decency.

    Just like we have rules on the blog to attack the statements and not the poster we should consider to criticize the play rather than the player.

  31. We llooked amateur at times in the rucks . Habana turned up which was great to see!
    We do seem to have a plan b now but we are too far off the quality of the kiwis.
    Well done Bokke!
    There is a huge potential supporters market in dissatisfied soccer community! Time to tap in

  32. Awesome awesome ugly win…

    Now HM can start refining with this out of the way… same as the Aussies…

    SH rugby redeemed itself and showed it’s dominance…

  33. England caused some delays and showed some flashes at time but I think they were just taking advantage of SA lack of familiarity with each other and the scheme.
    I think England was lucky to not get blown out.
    Can’t wait till this team gets steered by The Goose.

  34. Credit to the England FB and wings for sticking those high-balls. They should run a skills camp for NZ on how to catch those.
    I just don’t understand why Hougaard has so many problems getting kicks away.

  35. Reply to Timeo @ 8:49 pm:

    I understand that and find it affective but a “fetcher” is not only there to STEAL possession on defense he is also there to PROTECT possession on attack. Look at Pocock, he gets applause for his steals but also protects the possession very effectively using the same skills.

    Hence I would go for a Brussouw type with two bigger flankers who can work as a unit to hold up the tackled player.
    Best of both worlds

  36. PS: on Alberts – he is average for the Shaks at times but man does he step up for the Bokke! :applause:

    On Spies – I would like to see him off-load SBW style, he was thinking about it and the Poms went low on him initially so he had opportunities to do it. I guess the 1st test the call was to play it safe so understandable. He is good in helping the original defender in holding up the ball carrier – I’ll give him that. :whistling:

  37. Toe een game plan die eerste helfte nie werk nie verander HM dit vir die tweede helfte… het dit laas in Kitch Christie games gesien.

    En ek aanvaar Mallett van Nasaret se woorde is nou stil aangesien JDV so uitstekenbde game op BUITE SENTER gehad het…

  38. Would prefer to see your set of loosies augmented by an extra jumper so would drop Kolisi and replace with someone BIG who can jump.

  39. Reply to DavidS @ 7:38 pm:

    they are expected to do so Dawie. Being paid very good money to create and score tries yet its takes them 4 years to do so and they are yet to be dropped for their lack of doing so in 4 years?

    Thats my gripe. As long as they perform then its great for all concerned. JdV was OK. He wss not good. Scoring a try that any player could have scored does not make you great. Habs on the other hand REALLY contributed tonight.

  40. Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 8:24 am:

    I don’t get how the fetcher’s special skill protects the ball. Perhaps you can explain and I’ll take a look at Pocock’s play. Off course the Boks cannot select Pocock.

    Your loose trio in comment 91 gives up too much at the line-out. The only way to select Brussow with the currently available players is in combination with Alberts and Spies.

    That will also satisfy your requirements in 90.

  41. Reply to Timeo @ 2:20 pm:

    what makes a Bussouw and Pocock so effective? Their reading of the play and their speed to the breakdown add to that their low centre of gravity and they can get t and over the ball on the ground in both defense and attack.

    I understand your concern regarding the LO and here I will concede that Brussouw will not be effective at LO time and I guess a Kolisi not as effective as a Spies or Marcel but surely we can work around that?!

  42. Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 2:28 pm:

    I’ve seen Brussouw take LO balls
    for the Cheetahs.
    With a good pick up size is maybe
    not all that important.
    Though it may be difficult picking
    Alberts up – unless Beast is entrusted
    with the job.

  43. Reply to Timeo @ 12:02 am:

    I seriously doubt these stats: I am on 55minutes and not 1 NOT ONE! tackle by Spies and yet the stats show 9 tackles by Spies???
    He must tackle his heart out in the next 25minutes for that to make sense! BTW Marcel made 5 tackles according to the stats and yet I have him on double that already!?

  44. Reply to Boertjie @ 2:48 pm:

    The Cheetahs use Brussow because they do not have many options and they are pretty low on the log so that should tell you something.

    The idea that any player could be a line-out option flies in the face of the opinions of almost all top level coaches forever.

    It’s not just the height of the player but also the length of his arms that comes into play.

    Alberts lifting Spies is going to give you 30cm+ extra hand height over Alberts lifting Brussow. In the 1st instance you need an accurate throw to win the ball, in the second you an accurate throw plus impeccable timing.

    Work out for yourselves which option will give you a higher success ratio over the cause of a game or a series.

  45. Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 3:24 pm:

    When I looked at the stats yesterday shortly after the game they had no tackle counts and Spies at 67M gained.

    Now they have the tackle counts and Spies’ meters has increased to 101. Which means that they have watched the game a few times and has updated/corrected their numbers.

    Who shall we believe then?
    JT, a well know anti-Spiesite, or the good honest people at rugbystats.com

  46. Reply to Timeo @ 4:41 pm:

    Well mister smart arse – I found 1 tackle by spies in 80min of Saturdays match – give me the time on the clock for any of the other 8 tackles made according to your stats.

    Don’t come to me with BS insinuations, come with fucking facts!

  47. Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 5:15 pm:

    Fact #1
    It is not my stats. It is http://www.rugbystat.com.au‘s stats.

    Fact #2
    They get paid for generating stats.

    Fact #3
    They also list Spies as the player with the most runs and most meters and most rucks attended.

    Opinion #1
    There are probably often mistakes in their stats, but in order to make a successful business out of it they must be reasonably accurate.

    Opinion #2
    When it come to SA players, you and I are not impartial judges but they are.

  48. Reply to Timeo @ 7:20 pm:

    find 8 more tackles please and maybe we can believe their stats.

    let me make my point – I was part of a group that did stats on referees for the sharks in 2000 to 2002 so i know about stats.

  49. Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:24 pm:

    Can they be correct on metres gained,
    or were they perhaps also counting
    backward and sideway runs?
    Seems someone is getting good money for shit.

    I noticed Alberts etc. gaining metres,
    not the Broken Record.

  50. Reply to Boertjie @ 8:17 pm:

    how good a business is it when they give the stats for free? Anyway – I only checked the tackle count on Spies because my suspicion was about the type of tackles he makes but surprised that he hardly makes any!
    1 in 80min this test, let see what happened next week…

  51. Fok nice game het geweet de springbokke gaan die fokking engelanders

    Die bokke het hulle gemoer :dead horse:

    Next game wen die bokke ek fokking wet jou :wave:

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    Felipe Contepomi became Argentina’s all time top points scorer with a personal haul of 22 in his team’s 37-22 win over Italy.
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    Whitewash Weekend.
    Like the Black Week in the Boer War.

  54. Perhaps it is a grand conspiracy by those devious Aussies to provide false stats so that SA coaches play a useless POS at No. 8, in order to undermine our 9s and back-line linking.

    They’ve fooled 3N, WC, Lions and SR winning coaches, White, de Villiers, Meyer and Ludeke.

    It goes deep.

  55. Reply to Timeo @ 9:50 pm:

    prove me wrong by letting us know about the other 8 tackles he supposedly made!
    give us the time it happened so we can check.

    I would give you the time on the tackles he missed but there weren’t any because he never made an attempt except in minute 78:49

  56. Reply to Timeo @ 8:49 pm:

    Stegman is only not starting due to his injuries this season IMO…

    Both Richie and Pocock showed this weekend why they’re so important as is Brussouw… particularly when the Bok’s still aren’t counter-rucking…

  57. The question though is whether Brussouw is that important to South Africa as what McCaw and Pocock are to their countries?

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