Heyneke Meyer’s Boks will make their debut today against England in Durban – a test that will set the tone for Meyer’s tenure as Bok coach.
Recent results:
2010: South Africa won 21-11 in London
2008: South Africa won 42-6 in London
2007: South Africa won 15-6 in Paris
2007: South Africa won 36-0 in Paris
2007: South Africa won 55-22 in Pretoria
2007: South Africa won 58-10 in Bloemfontein
2006: South Africa won 25-14 in London
2006: England won 23-21 in London
2004: England won 32-16 in London
2003: England won 25-6 in Perth
Teams:
South Africa: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jean de Villiers (captain), 12 Francois Steyn, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis (vice-captain), 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Adriaan Strauss, 17 Coenie Oosthuizen, 18 Flip van der Merwe, 19 Keegan Daniel, 20 Ruan Pienaar, 21 Patrick Lambie, 22 Wynand Olivier.
England: 15 Mike Brown, 14 Chris Ashton, 13 Manu Tuilagi, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Ben Foden, 10 Owen Farrell, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Ben Morgan, 7 Chris Robshaw (captain), 6 Tom Johnson, 5 Geoff Parling, 4 Mouritz Botha, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Dylan Hartley, 1 Joe Marler.
Replacements: 16 Lee Mears, 17 Paul Doran-Jones, 18 Tom Palmer, 19 Phil Dowson, 20 Lee Dickson, 21 Toby Flood, 22 Jonathan Joseph.
Date: Saturday, June 9
Venue: Kings Park, Durban
Kick-off: 17.05 (15.00 GMT)
Referee: Steve Walsh (Australia)
Predicted weather: 60% chance of rain, wind 10-20 km/h, high of 17 low of 12
Assistant referees: Alain Rolland (Ireland), Simon McDowell (Ireland)
TMO: Iain Ramage (Scotland)
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June 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Bad weather.
Boks 23-14.
June 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Poms are up for it – watching on SKY and they are pretty confident! One commentator even said Bokke are going soft and it is time for the English to prove a point
o fok bokke – you better win, my assist coach is a pom and I will never hear the end of it!!
June 9th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
NAAI HULLE BOERE!!!!!!
June 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
8′
3-0 Pongos
June 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
14′
3-3
Steyn pen
June 9th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
20′ and 1/4 of the game done and 3-3in Dertbin…
June 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Dam, protect the pill
June 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
26′
6-3 Eng
June 9th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
30′
6-6
Pen Steyn
Nice and difficult for the Bokkies… heavy going here
June 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Playing to our strengths…
June 9th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Poms fracturing our tight phases.
Old SA malaise: can’t controll ruck ball.
June 9th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
HT6-6
June 9th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
way too predictable by the bokke – poms just need to tackle low and contest, sooner or later they get the turn-over.
Please tell Hougie to STOP KICKING!! We look much better on attack – Frans wants more BALL!
June 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
I take my criticism back for Alberts! He has been the Bok player of the 1st half!
June 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Bokke playing like kak. Marcell who? Poms turning it over when it matters. No real backline moves. At this stage it is anybody’s game. Although 6-6 at ht will give them a huge amount of confidence.
Cheers
June 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Reply to Methos The French Stormer @ 5:56 pm:
Bokke afraid to lose menatality and that is huting us! With PdV we at least BEILIEVED we were better than we were
June 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 5:54 pm:
Alberts on form is class.
June 9th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Well done Morne
June 9th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
HM won’t last the 4 years! He is going to get a heart attack before the end of this tour!!
June 9th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
49′
Try M Steyn but unconveretd
11-6 Bokke
June 9th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
JT. Agree on hm. He is shouting orders all the time! And looking fuc#ed off!!
June 9th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
etsebeth need to learn to take the ball at pace NOT STANDING!!
Habs having a good game!
June 9th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
60′
BANG
JDV scores…
Now Shields will be livid…
June 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
And in other breaking news we just received a call from heyneke Meyer. My little girl will be replacing spies in next weeks game because he feels that she will have the same impact…
Cheers
June 9th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Conversion missed and pongos get pen which is slotted
64′
16-9 Bokke
June 9th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
66′
Pom pen
16-12 nowe and in risky territory for the heavy going Bokke
June 9th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
70′ and Steyn reciprocates and seven point diff restored
19-12 Bokke
Hectic
June 9th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Sighting for that asshole Hartley!!! Dirty f#ck.
June 9th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
75′ and still 19-12 to Bokke
Kak play by Bokke
Happy for HM’s passion…
June 9th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Now if only he can transfer his passion to those fools on the filed…
June 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
78′ Steyn pen
22-12 and ten point cushion…
Gritty would best describe this performance…
And for Hm’s first test
Against the main stream odds it’s mission accomplished…
June 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Bokke will get better is about all I can say now…
Ai we are SOOO much better than what we are showing but a win is a win and Mission accomplished!
June 9th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
And the Poms have a try through Foden… on 80′
Unconveretd and final score
22-17 Bokke
Lelik maar darem is hy daar!
June 9th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
We need a Brussouw in our team!
June 9th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 6:51 pm:
With you HM has passed the first hurdle…
June 9th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 6:53 pm:
or a minni!
June 9th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 6:55 pm:
Why a “minni”?
June 9th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Jhb is currently 6′C and not a cloud in sight…
Farking freee
Ziiinnnggg
June 9th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 6:58 pm:
Brussouw or Derek Mini?
We need a fetcher to combat guys like Johnson/Robshaw. Nevermind Pocock, McCaw etc!
unbelievable that we do not have MORE fetchers in SA – none I can think of that are any decent! Kolisi is NOT a fetcher, Botes not good enough and Burger also not a real fetcher when he is back.
I liked the impact Strauss and Oosthuizen brought to the game, Frans gave good go forward from midfield. This will give the Bokke a huge amount of confidence and they will raise their game next week by 30%!
June 9th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:11 pm:
Get back FLOUW! He is just sitting on his arse drinking beer and braaiing at the moment
June 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
LO = ok but needs some more work!
Scrum = very good especially with FR of Coennie, Strauss and JdP – Flip also helped n the 2nd row.
Team next week IMO:
1. Coennie
2. Strauss
3. Jdp
4. Flip
5. Juandre
6. Brussouw
7. Marcel
8. Alberts
9. RP
10. Lambie
11. Habs
12. Frans
13. JdV
14. JPP
15. Zane
bench: Bissi, Beast, Etzebeth, Kolisi, Keegan, Hougie, Morne
June 9th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
IMO mom was Alberts, Juandre and Frans
June 9th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
BTW: 12 all in France! 20min to go!
Gurthro and Bakkies on the field!
June 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Well, I’m happy. Boks much better after HT.
Coenie made a difference, so did Tiger at 9.
Alberts to 8, Spies to history books,
Brussow at 7.
Coenie with first touch of the ball made
10 more yards than Spies in entire game.
This side has the makings of a very good one.
June 9th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:26 pm:
Alberts officially MoM.
Agree.
Sorry Dawie and the other distractors,
but JdeV had a good game.
June 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Bryce gone to bed?
June 9th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 7:31 pm:
Eben was not too hot but mainly because he got the ball standing – he needs to take a run up!
Spies – bad body position but there is nothing new!
Marcel a bit light but tried his heart out and kept going the whole game!
Flip made an impact
Jaundre did a Mtafield – not bad for a 1st test.
June 9th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 7:32 pm:
JdV is in his element as a strike runner at either 11 or 13 IMO – still has pace too!
Frans will get better when he gets to know his team mates again.
Hougie disapointed me, he looks good when PLAYING but KICKING is not his game, RP much better all round player.
June 9th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 7:32 pm:
Don’t be sorry!
I’ve always been a JDV fan… it’s shieldsie that hates him and Habana…
As I said after that second try
Shieldsie must be furious…
Habana and De Villiers involved in setting up a try…. and he says they are useless…
June 9th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Bismarck needs to get his line out throws sorted.
Hougaard fucked around behind the rucks.
Etzebeth needs to assess the situation better when he gets the ball and not stand still.
Morne had a decent game.
The combo with Frans and JdV worked well.
Lambie in for Zane who did nothing.
Habana and Willem my two men of the match.
The Boks struggled to get to the ruck in numbers in good time in the first half, but second half got that right, overall I was rather satisfied with how we played the second half.
We will only be better next week.
June 9th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Spies’ days are counted… or he’s being relegated to “try again” status…
Like Brussouw.
Suspect he needs a mind coach.
June 9th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Gurthro looks like he is enjoying the GOOD life in France – must 15kg overweight
even Bakkies starting to develop a gut!
June 9th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 7:40 pm:
HM MUST recall Brussouw for the next 2 tests! no other way around it IMO!
June 9th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:43 pm:
PS: HM must get some vicodin other wise he is either going to get a heart attack or stroke the way he was performing in the coaches box
Loved it!
June 9th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Hougaard is no FDP.
Zane may have done nothing but he also did nothing wrong so would stick with him for the time being.
10-12-13 was our best combination along with the 1-2-3 of JDP, Oosthuizen and Strauss.
HM has something to work with.
Oh and Methos’ boet had a great game too.
June 9th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:45 pm:
Proves the dude’s passion as far as I’m concerned.
Now he needs to transfer that to the players!
June 9th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 7:47 pm:
he should get PdV on board as a man manager
June 9th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
NEWS from FRANCE: Gurthro adds a TOP 14 title to his WC, 3N, CC and S15!!
June 9th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Toulouse 18 – 12 Toulon Final score!
June 9th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:49 pm:
Shit dude he’s probably the best “man manager” in Southern Hemsiphere rugby…
He doesn’t need moustachioed moron;’s input
June 9th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:52 pm:
No Stade glamour club in the final? And Toulon was mos a lower tier club that bought themselves to the final
June 9th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Now for a nice cuppa coffee and some Irish single maly ten year old Bushmills and then sleep…
June 9th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Hmmm
social media is remarkably quiet….
June 9th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Okay lekker slaap self…
June 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
ek moet ook gaan le – ek is al lekker dronk
June 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
het met rum begin in die 2de helfte van NZ v Ireland!
June 9th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 7:46 pm:
Hougaard is no FDP.
Jip, said it all along. Proven correct
again re Spies.
Got it wrong with Habs – best test since,
well, way back.
Zane not bad either.
Eben has to learn how to be affective – i.e.
not receiving ball standing.
June 9th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 8:14 pm:
Jou sweet gaan more baie stink!
Self nooit iets sterkers as die rooi
druiwesap met alkohol in.
June 9th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 8:14 pm:
Sjoe!
Jy gaan jammer wees…
Ek het more 09h00 Fighting Fit… dis buitelug en die verwagte temp is tussen 6 en 9′C
Fok mens kan dit nie op ‘n dronk gat se maag doien nie!
June 9th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Boer dis Etzebeth se eerste seisoen van Super Rugby en sy heel eerste toets game…
Ek’s bereid om die outjie slack te sny.
As mens “step up” dan kan die senuwees soms erg knaag aan die self vertroue.
Ek sien dit met ons Krav Maga en BJJ. As jy op is teen iemand wat skilled is en jy weet dit dan kan die senbuwees soms veroorsaak dat jy stupid goed doen omdat jy so gestel is daarop om die regte ding te doen, dat jy jou instinkte oorheers en kak droog maak.
Twee weke terug het ek teen ‘n Judo outjie gefight wat baie goed “sweep”, en ek was so gestel daarop om hom “reg” te skop dat toe hy langs my inkom het ek wragtig probeer om te skop, maar dit was ‘n lui een op die verkeerde tyd toe gryp hy my been en “sweep” hy my ander een en ek val my gat af.
Goed hy het toe ‘n fout gemaak want hy was self effe te windgat en ek het gewen, maar hy het getap en ek kan vir twee weke nie fokken fight nie, want my spoiere om my heup is beseer.
Punt is gee Etzebeth kaans om gewoond te raak.
Hy’s goed genoeg op die vlak… eerste toets is beter as wat matrfield en Bekker s’n was!
June 9th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
The HM/McFarland defensive system in use at the Bulls since sometime last year is to hold the ball carrier upright and drive him back.
Holding up is to slow play down so your defensive lines can reset. Driving the ball carrier back disrupts the offensive momentum.
A turnover can be effected by ripping the ball from the carrier or via mistakes by the offense or perhaps on the collapsed maul.
Fetcher style competing on the ground is all but impossible.
Thus the pure fetcher flank is obsolete. Note how Stegman has moved down the Bulls pecking order. Brussow will have to re-invent his game to be a contender again, once guys like Burger and Potgieter are healthy there will be even less space for him under this system.
June 9th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Baie positiewe ten spyte daarvan dat dit ver van ons beste was. Heyneke het sy reserwes effektief en vroeg genoeg gebruik. Kon ons gameplan verander na halftyd. Een van Morne se beter toetse met bal in hand en op verdediging(afgesien van sy skoppe). Ook een van JDup se beter toetse. JdV het sy man gestaan op buitesenter!
June 9th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Reply to Timeo @ 8:49 pm:
I thought that is exactly the Stormers
type of defence?
So how come Poukak is so effective?
June 9th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Reply to Henlo @ 8:49 pm:
Ja, dis die ander groot verskil tussen HM
en daai poephol Snor:
HM het die regte ouens op die bank gehad,
en hulle baie goed aangewend.
June 9th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
The only changes I would make for next week is to move Flip vd Merwe and Pienaar into the staring 15 with Etsebet and Hougaard on the bench. Drop Olivier from the 22 for an extra forward on the bench.
June 9th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 8:53 pm:
Because the teams Pocock plays in, do not play that system.
I’m not sold on it. There are a number of weaknesses I can think of but HM clearly is.
We shall see.
It is anyway the only good reason I can think of for Brussow’s omission.
The Stormers’ system is not exactly the same. I cannot really figure it out but I think it relies more on defensive organization. Unlike the Bulls they still drop the player and compete on the ground.
June 9th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Reply to Timeo @ 8:55 pm:
Agree.
And dropping Spies.
Interesting shot of Strauss addressing
the forwards at one stage, not Spies.
And start with Lambie at 15.
And maybe giving Coenie a start at 1 or 3.
Good start, rectifying most shortcomings
as they went along.
June 9th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 9:09 pm:
Kirchner was not my 1st choice but he was absolutely solid. Kicked well and was effective running the ball back. I will stick with him.
Lambie I saw nothing of. Perhaps because the Boks had all the ball in he 2nd half but he should have been more prominent in the last 5min.
Coenie gave away too many hinging penalties in the S15 to be entrusted with a start yet. Somebody needs to correct his pre-hit posture first.
On Spies you are a broken record.
June 9th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 9:09 pm:
When Strauss came on, the English commentators said that he was the vice-captain, so him and not Spies addressing the forwards would be appropriate.
June 9th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Reply to Timeo @ 9:23 pm:
Yes, Spies has broken the record for
an incompetent player being reselected
so many times. His powerless bodybuilers
physique must have a blinding effect.
I wonder what would have happened in the
case of JdeV going off, with Strauss not
being on the field?
I thought vice-captains usually starts a game?
June 9th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 10:26 pm:
I don’t care much for vendettas and slander against specific players.
If you think a player makes mistakes then point them out. If you think there is a better option then promote that.
June 9th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
I don’t care much for the derogatory nicknames that some players are saddled with.
June 9th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
I’ve never seen Jorrie Muller play but I’m certain he does not deserve the things that people say about him on the blogs either.
It’s beyond common decency.
Just like we have rules on the blog to attack the statements and not the poster we should consider to criticize the play rather than the player.
June 10th, 2012 at 12:02 am
According to these stats Spies gained the most meters of all the Boks
http://www.rugbystats.com.au/matches/rugby/match16733.html
June 10th, 2012 at 2:36 am
We llooked amateur at times in the rucks . Habana turned up which was great to see!
We do seem to have a plan b now but we are too far off the quality of the kiwis.
Well done Bokke!
There is a huge potential supporters market in dissatisfied soccer community! Time to tap in
June 10th, 2012 at 2:47 am
Awesome awesome ugly win…
Now HM can start refining with this out of the way… same as the Aussies…
SH rugby redeemed itself and showed it’s dominance…
June 10th, 2012 at 3:15 am
Reply to Boertjie @ 9:09 pm:
HM has stated a few times now that if JDV (and BDP) are not on the field Adrian is his man in charge…
Happy he took his chance with aplomb!
June 10th, 2012 at 3:16 am
England caused some delays and showed some flashes at time but I think they were just taking advantage of SA lack of familiarity with each other and the scheme.
I think England was lucky to not get blown out.
Can’t wait till this team gets steered by The Goose.
June 10th, 2012 at 3:23 am
Credit to the England FB and wings for sticking those high-balls. They should run a skills camp for NZ on how to catch those.
I just don’t understand why Hougaard has so many problems getting kicks away.
June 10th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Reply to Timeo @ 8:49 pm:
I understand that and find it affective but a “fetcher” is not only there to STEAL possession on defense he is also there to PROTECT possession on attack. Look at Pocock, he gets applause for his steals but also protects the possession very effectively using the same skills.
Hence I would go for a Brussouw type with two bigger flankers who can work as a unit to hold up the tackled player.
Best of both worlds
June 10th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 8:24 am:
my preferred back-row for the next test (considering who is fit)
6. Brussouw
7. Kolisi
8. Alberts
But that is just me
Marcel and Spies (who can cover wing)
June 10th, 2012 at 8:36 am
PS: on Alberts – he is average for the Shaks at times but man does he step up for the Bokke!
On Spies – I would like to see him off-load SBW style, he was thinking about it and the Poms went low on him initially so he had opportunities to do it. I guess the 1st test the call was to play it safe so understandable. He is good in helping the original defender in holding up the ball carrier – I’ll give him that.
June 10th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Toe een game plan die eerste helfte nie werk nie verander HM dit vir die tweede helfte… het dit laas in Kitch Christie games gesien.
En ek aanvaar Mallett van Nasaret se woorde is nou stil aangesien JDV so uitstekenbde game op BUITE SENTER gehad het…
June 10th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Would prefer to see your set of loosies augmented by an extra jumper so would drop Kolisi and replace with someone BIG who can jump.
June 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 7:38 pm:
they are expected to do so Dawie. Being paid very good money to create and score tries yet its takes them 4 years to do so and they are yet to be dropped for their lack of doing so in 4 years?
Thats my gripe. As long as they perform then its great for all concerned. JdV was OK. He wss not good. Scoring a try that any player could have scored does not make you great. Habs on the other hand REALLY contributed tonight.
June 10th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 8:24 am:
I don’t get how the fetcher’s special skill protects the ball. Perhaps you can explain and I’ll take a look at Pocock’s play. Off course the Boks cannot select Pocock.
Your loose trio in comment 91 gives up too much at the line-out. The only way to select Brussow with the currently available players is in combination with Alberts and Spies.
That will also satisfy your requirements in 90.
June 10th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Reply to Timeo @ 2:20 pm:
what makes a Bussouw and Pocock so effective? Their reading of the play and their speed to the breakdown add to that their low centre of gravity and they can get t and over the ball on the ground in both defense and attack.
I understand your concern regarding the LO and here I will concede that Brussouw will not be effective at LO time and I guess a Kolisi not as effective as a Spies or Marcel but surely we can work around that?!
June 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 2:28 pm:
I’ve seen Brussouw take LO balls
for the Cheetahs.
With a good pick up size is maybe
not all that important.
Though it may be difficult picking
Alberts up – unless Beast is entrusted
with the job.
June 10th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 2:48 pm:
even beast can jump at LO it is a question of effectiveness
June 10th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Reply to Timeo @ 12:02 am:
I seriously doubt these stats: I am on 55minutes and not 1 NOT ONE! tackle by Spies and yet the stats show 9 tackles by Spies???
He must tackle his heart out in the next 25minutes for that to make sense! BTW Marcel made 5 tackles according to the stats and yet I have him on double that already!?
June 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 2:48 pm:
The Cheetahs use Brussow because they do not have many options and they are pretty low on the log so that should tell you something.
The idea that any player could be a line-out option flies in the face of the opinions of almost all top level coaches forever.
It’s not just the height of the player but also the length of his arms that comes into play.
Alberts lifting Spies is going to give you 30cm+ extra hand height over Alberts lifting Brussow. In the 1st instance you need an accurate throw to win the ball, in the second you an accurate throw plus impeccable timing.
Work out for yourselves which option will give you a higher success ratio over the cause of a game or a series.
June 10th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 3:24 pm:
When I looked at the stats yesterday shortly after the game they had no tackle counts and Spies at 67M gained.
Now they have the tackle counts and Spies’ meters has increased to 101. Which means that they have watched the game a few times and has updated/corrected their numbers.
Who shall we believe then?
JT, a well know anti-Spiesite, or the good honest people at rugbystats.com
June 10th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Reply to Timeo @ 4:41 pm:
Well mister smart arse – I found 1 tackle by spies in 80min of Saturdays match – give me the time on the clock for any of the other 8 tackles made according to your stats.
Don’t come to me with BS insinuations, come with fucking facts!
June 10th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 5:15 pm:
Fact #1
It is not my stats. It is http://www.rugbystat.com.au‘s stats.
Fact #2
They get paid for generating stats.
Fact #3
They also list Spies as the player with the most runs and most meters and most rucks attended.
Opinion #1
There are probably often mistakes in their stats, but in order to make a successful business out of it they must be reasonably accurate.
Opinion #2
When it come to SA players, you and I are not impartial judges but they are.
June 10th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Reply to Timeo @ 7:20 pm:
find 8 more tackles please and maybe we can believe their stats.
let me make my point – I was part of a group that did stats on referees for the sharks in 2000 to 2002 so i know about stats.
June 10th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:24 pm:
PS: they are SOOO wrong with their tackle stats that you can’t say FACT on any of their stats!
June 10th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:24 pm:
Can they be correct on metres gained,
or were they perhaps also counting
backward and sideway runs?
Seems someone is getting good money for shit.
I noticed Alberts etc. gaining metres,
not the Broken Record.
June 10th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:24 pm:
As a friend of mine stated:
Never believe what you read on the internet.
June 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 8:17 pm:
how good a business is it when they give the stats for free? Anyway – I only checked the tackle count on Spies because my suspicion was about the type of tackles he makes but surprised that he hardly makes any!
1 in 80min this test, let see what happened next week…
June 10th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Fok nice game het geweet de springbokke gaan die fokking engelanders
Die bokke het hulle gemoer
Next game wen die bokke ek fokking wet jou
June 10th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 8:17 pm:
Most of the quotes on the internet are incorrectly attributed
George Washington
June 10th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Stormer 13
Is jy familie van Jacques en Morne?
June 10th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 8:55 pm: Weet nie watse game hy gekyk het nie
June 10th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Reply to Jacques(Bunny) @ 9:24 pm:
Ek dink dis een wat die Bokke gewen het.
June 10th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Reply to Jacques(Bunny) @ 9:24 pm:
So nog ‘n familie lid waaroor jy moet skaam kry… fokkit dude… al die goeie genetika het in jou ingegaan…
June 10th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
LATEST:
Barritt out of second Test
England centre Brad Barritt has been ruled out of the second Test against South Africa due to an eye injury.
June 10th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Reply to DavidS @ 9:36 pm:
Party genepoele is so vlak soos ‘n
modderplassie op ‘n plaaspad.
June 10th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Reply to Boertjie @ 9:37 pm:
Hahahahahahah!!!
June 10th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Pumas add to north’s misery
Felipe Contepomi became Argentina’s all time top points scorer with a personal haul of 22 in his team’s 37-22 win over Italy.
——
Whitewash Weekend.
Like the Black Week in the Boer War.
June 10th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Perhaps it is a grand conspiracy by those devious Aussies to provide false stats so that SA coaches play a useless POS at No. 8, in order to undermine our 9s and back-line linking.
They’ve fooled 3N, WC, Lions and SR winning coaches, White, de Villiers, Meyer and Ludeke.
It goes deep.
June 10th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Some great Bok pics here:
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-match-report/springboks-maintain-test-dominance-over-england-20120610-203oh.html
June 10th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 3:24 pm: COuldnt agree more Spies did Fak All all day
June 10th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
What is POS?
Like an even more useless version of p03s?
June 11th, 2012 at 12:24 am
Reply to Timeo @ 9:50 pm:
prove me wrong by letting us know about the other 8 tackles he supposedly made!
give us the time it happened so we can check.
I would give you the time on the tackles he missed but there weren’t any because he never made an attempt except in minute 78:49
June 11th, 2012 at 3:35 am
Reply to Timeo @ 8:49 pm:
Stegman is only not starting due to his injuries this season IMO…
Both Richie and Pocock showed this weekend why they’re so important as is Brussouw… particularly when the Bok’s still aren’t counter-rucking…
June 11th, 2012 at 8:42 am
POS = Piece Of Sh1t
June 11th, 2012 at 8:43 am
The question though is whether Brussouw is that important to South Africa as what McCaw and Pocock are to their countries?