Burden called up to Bok squad

August 18, 2012
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The Springbok squad that will be travelling to Argentina was named in Cape Town on Saturday evening, with Craig Burden coming in for the injured Bismarck du Plessis at hooker.

Du Plessis injured his right knee early in the game. He was taken for scans during the game, which confirmed the diagnosis of an injury to his medial and anterior cruciate ligaments. It will require surgical correction and he will be out for the remainder of the season.

Burden, who plays for The Sharks, was on the official standby list and will depart with the squad from Johannesburg on Sunday morning.

Apart from Du Plessis, the match day 22 that beat Argentina by 27-6 have been retained and five players were added to provide depth in certain crucial positions – Tiaan Liebenberg and Burden (hookers), Dean Greyling (prop), Juandré Kruger (lock) and Jano Vermaak (scrumhalf).

Following the Springboks’ return from Argentina, the national selectors will meet to select a touring squad of 28 that will travel to Australia and New Zealand for the third and fourth rounds of The Castle Rugby Championship.

“We only finalised the touring squad after the Test against Argentina at DHL Newlands on Saturday afternoon as we wanted to first assess the injury situation,” said Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer.

“It’s never nice to leave behind players, but we’re only permitted to travel with 26 players. The players that stay behind will benefit from game time in the Absa Currie Cup and will certainly be in the selection frame when we select the squad for the next leg of The Castle Rugby Championship.”

The 26-man Springbok squad to Argentina:

Forwards (15): Willem Alberts, Andries Bekker, Craig Burden, Pat Cilliers, Marcell Coetzee, Keegan Daniel, Jannie du Plessis, Eben Etzebeth, Dean Greyling, Juandré Kruger, Tiaan Liebenberg, Tendai Mtawarira, Jacques Potgieter, Adriaan Strauss, Flip van der Merwe.

Backs (11): Jean de Villiers (captain), JJ Engelbrecht, Bryan Habana, Francois Hougaard, Zane Kirchner, Patrick Lambie, Lwazi Mvovo, Ruan Pienaar, Frans Steyn, Morné Steyn, Jano Vermaak.

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55 Comments

  1. avatar DavidS says:
    August 18th, 2012 at 11:42 pm

    No surprises here.

  2. avatar DavidS says:
    August 18th, 2012 at 11:48 pm

    Wonder if Brenden Shields will have anything to say now that one of his wet dreams has been called up to the Bokke…

  3. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 19th, 2012 at 2:58 am

    Jeez talk about cheapening the Bok jumper… no offence to the guy but Burden is a CC player at best!

    Reply to DavidS @ 11:48 pm:

    Shields will only be pleased when Schalk Britz is at 12 and Robert Ebersohn on his outside :wink:

  4. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 19th, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    Indeed very happy about Burden even though I doubt he will get game.

    He is better attacker than our Bok 12 and 13 who now annoy me to the point where I cannot watch bok rugby anymore.

    When will you guys see that there is something wrong with playing dumb 2007 idiots on 12 and 13 and then wondering why we dont score a bonus point.

    Kirchners try very early on showed how weak Argie was outside yet our 2007 heroes both cannot for the life of them distribute ball to where the striker runners are.

    I have had enough. HM you can play your ‘winning’ rugby with pods and mauls all day long – I am happily supporting Oz still.

  5. avatar DavidS says:
    August 19th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 2:25 pm: Actually for once I agree that onfield leadership was critically lacking and despite placating the Cape monkeys we need more intelligent onfield leadership.

    JDV cannot make an intelligent decision to save the Boks…

    The last 12 minutes were the most frustrating to watch as you could clearly see where the Pumas were weak and yet the onfield captaincy failed to work that out.

    BTW the Kirchner try proved nothing Shields because the outside backs were covered. That was not outside backs but good passing and distribution from M Steyn and good cutting into the line with Kirchner.

    It was more of a midfield power surge than anything else.

  6. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 19th, 2012 at 5:17 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 5:00 pm:

    cfair enoughn on a power surge – the whole idea of these neverending power surges is supoosed to suck in defender so you can go wide with quick intellegent passing and score.

    I have long said that Morne is the only backline player in Bok Setup who has a proper and intellegent passing game.

    Too bad he passes to drones who then search contact.

    Morne’s simple delayed pass (which to defenders suggests he will pass wide) is what converted an opportunity into a score.

    BUT

    read the ratings so far: 1 blog (rugby365) reckons JdV “ran stongly and defended even moreso. I saw him get pinged twice with possession and miss a clear as daulight tackle.

    nothing is mentioned about his distribution……same for Steyn.

    In SA we simply do not care about centre play anymore.

  7. avatar Vetgesmeerde Blits says:
    August 19th, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 5:00 pm: You keep going on about the onfield leadership, and while I believe there is some truth in that, you are not saying anything about the huge role Heyneke is playing in the creating and implementing of the game plan. He is constantly on his walky talky feeding instuctions to the field, and the way the Boks are playing is a very similar to what we have seen from the Bulls through the years.

    Meyer has only backed one so called creative centre at his time with the Bulls, and that was Ettiene Botha. He won his first Currie Cup with Tiaan Joubert at inside centre. If you can’t remember Joubert, he looked exactly like Richard Bands, only with a bigger boep.
    Then came Dries Scoltz, JP Nel, Frikkie Welsh and even Marius Delport for a while. Wynand Olivier was turned into a crashballer by the Bulls. I saw a lot of his games for Tukkies in 2002 and he used to be a very creative inside centre.

    Heyneke’s game plan has always relied on strong centres getting over the advantage line and gathering momentum.

    This has been very effective for the Bulls through the years and the Bulls record speaks for itself.
    I am not bashing the above players or gameplan at all, as like Heyneke, I also believe in winning rugby above attractive rugby.

    Heyneke picked a 1O3 and a 110 kg centre for a reason, and that wasn’t for their great stepping or pace to trouble defences.

  8. avatar Vetgesmeerde Blits says:
    August 19th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 5:17 pm:Very true, I hope young centres like Paul Jordaan and Jan Serfontein don’t get turned into robots after a few years of senior rugby.

  9. avatar biltongbek says:
    August 19th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

    If Meyer must have JDV in the team, then put him on wing, he doesn’t pass, he doesn’t aim to draw defenders and can’t read a gap if you slowed the game down and gave him superpowers. He cannot read a game to save his life, but then again we play according to a gamelan don’t we.

    Maybe his job is to run into the defence. :whistling:

  10. avatar Americano says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 7:41 am

    I don’t know who Shields is but were Britz to get the 12 jersey me and him would be hi-fiving

  11. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am

    Big mistake not going for the 4th try bonus point…

  12. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 8:45 am

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 8:43 am:

    no bryce they did go for it – they just could not score it because they dont know what to do with attacking ball.

  13. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 8:55 am

    gotta love how all critique is aimed at daniel why the fuckups were 12 and 13 and a kak gameplan

  14. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Its as if the world cup win in 2007 sold us all a fart – we no longer really care about backline play as its all about the ‘foundation’.

    Tell that to the kiwis who have a great foundation yet are Nr 1 in the world due to the contributions of mainly their 10/12 and 15. This is where their tries get scored!

    We kick to maul and if backline gets the ball we all know it will NOT lead to a try.

    Then look at Oz who win games often without the much vaunted forward ‘foundation’.

    Springboks are stuck in the era of Niki Vd Walt and Anton Leonard.

  15. avatar biltongbek says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:09 am

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 9:03 am: Our problem currently is we have nothing special in the backline.

    Guys like Hougaard, Lambie, JP Pietersen, Goosen, Paul Jordaan, Jan Serfontein etc all have a little bit of X-factor, whether they will be able to use that flair once they are part of the team setup we won’t know until it happens.

    Frans Steyn has some X-factor as well, but he went missing this weekend, he looked slow and uninterested.

    But then nobody really looked all that passionate to begin with.

  16. avatar Craven says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    We should not expect to much in the line of backline play with the current coaching staff. I heard an interview with Ricardo Loubscher where all he says is they should stick to their structures, over and over again. This or a variation thereof was his abswer for any question. If this is your backline coach’s outlook, don’t hold your breath for any innovation in the backline.

  17. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Reply to biltongbek @ 9:09 am:

    yes thats the saddest part. No use you bring in Goosen and Lambie or Jordaan if they will be expected to merely kick and chase balls and move out of the way for whichever fat bullocks’ turn it is to take the ball up.

    Players like De Jong, Whitehead, Jordaan are all better off moving to Oz.

  18. avatar biltongbek says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Reply to Craven @ 9:11 am: I agree with you, the coaching staff beleives in structure, and that isn’t a bad thing when you have a Goosen at 10 who is more naturally gifted with ball in hand, These youngsters will still have to play within the structure, but can you think what Paul Jordaan or Jan Serfontein would have done this weekend if they had those two runs that J de Villiers had, where he instinctively pulls his ears back and rushes at the defence?

    Mate they would have offloaded into space for Mvovo, just look at the try Jordaan scored for the Sharks against the Reds in the play offs. There were interplay between JP, himself and one or two mre players, running a player into sapce, offloading, another player on the inside offloading.

    It comes naturally when you have the skills, even playing within a structure.

  19. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Reply to biltongbek @ 9:21 am:

    you are right. but the players in the bok setup dont have those skills.

    God forbid you criticize JdV or Fransie though. Like the Zionist lobbie those two.

  20. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:29 am

    With is experience and to just add one more kicking arrow in our arsenal id have no qualms playing Morne at 12 with Goosen at 10. Goose will get great mentorship also. Fransie moves to 15, even though I would prefer Lambie there and have Fransie on bench.

    Jean should be wing together with JPP.

    This way you have shitloads of experience and tall players at the back.

    Habana would be my 13 in this setup

    Hougaard/Goosen

    Jean Divs/ Morne /Habana / JPP

    Steyn

    Bench Ruan and Lambie – all you really need.

  21. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:36 am

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 9:29 am:

    Goosen could not even finish 1/3 of a S15 season has not even played CC and already he’s a Bok?

    Get real…

  22. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:41 am

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 9:36 am:

    I wont have him play lots – but he should be mentored as he will be a bok for many years to come.

    But I will do it the way the Kiwis do it. Move your 10 to 12 and have him mentor on the field.

    I am sorry Goosen plays for your much hated Cheetahs but the kid is the best rugby player this land has produced for many a year.

  23. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am

    up the day he got injured – go see if any fly in the world could touch him (kicks, tries, tackles, metres gained, offloads you name it)

  24. avatar biltongbek says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:46 am

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 9:36 am: You must have missed the comment from Meyer that he sees Goosen as the 10 with X factor.

  25. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 9:42 am:

    I most certainly did… and the only place he was ahead or in the top 3 was ‘most kicks’,'most conversions’, ‘kick metres’ and ‘missed tackles’… nowhere else… and those few games included against the lowly Lions a hiding from Lambie and Sharks, and their biggest hiding from Morne and the Bulls…

    Reply to biltongbek @ 9:46 am:

    Funny that… he said exactly the same about Daniels who is struggling at test level…

  26. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 10:14 am

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 9:58 am: Ye I love these peoples X Factor players who can do bogerol at Test level, certain players will only reach their peak at CC or Supershit test level is just to high for some.

    Morne looked better on Saturday and when Morne is at his best he is close to Carter level. Will see how he will fair against NZ and Aus to see if he has sort out his shit.

    Goosen is a good player but for 5/6 do not rush the youngster into something that will burn him.

    Jean at center is becoming a problem and his leadership is not on par.

    I would have tried some youngsters at center.

    I am also a great believer to have your captain in the forwards or half back but that is just me

  27. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 10:27 am

    Reply to Jacques(Bunny) @ 10:14 am:

    Exactly mate… I’m most certainly not knocking the youngster… I’m a fan…

    Morne was excellent on Saturday… Boks need a much better backline coach than a VC calibre coach…

  28. avatar Craven says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 10:28 am

    I would love to see JP at outside centre for the Boks, with his place on the wing taken by either Hougaard or Jordaan.

    Maybe something to consider for the end of year tour? If Bismarck is still out I would start with Strauss and make him captain for the tour.

  29. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 9:58 am:

    talking kak. give me time and i will show you stats up to that stage. His best game coincidentally was against Hurricanes in NZ with a very good showing also against The Crusaders over there.

    So lowly Lions my arse.

    The kid needs to be mentored while we have a top flyhalve as incumbent. Morne has ALWAYS been my favourite 10 even when his kicking game is letting him down.

    The problem is and has been for the past 5 years our 12 and 13.

  30. avatar DavidS says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 9:42 am:

    Don’t talk kak Brenden.

    As early as the first game of SR he got pwned by Elton Jantjes.

    Jantjes outscored him, didn’t miss a tackle on him while twice breaking Goosen tackles yet you blind gits just spurt white spimes of organsms about someone who got outplayed by Elton Jantjes…

    Nice one…

  31. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    which is why I suggest you move Morne to 12 for some games while Goosen gets mentored.

  32. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 2:02 pm:

    Lions got more penalties. Neither players missed a kick. Goosen went off and Ebersohn missed.

    Jantjies is a midget and cannot kick 60 metres.

    Pull the other one

  33. avatar DavidS says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    The problem with the team was not the coaching staff but the onfield leadership calling plays.

    Biltongbek you need to differentiate. There was a gameplan and the bckline leaders need to call the plays as they see fit in the context of the game.

    Squealing down a walkie talkie… no matter how loudly… cannot get a message to one’s skipper / attack leader / backline leader onfield in a seventh phase of broken play…

    To suggest the coach must somehow take responsibility for the onfield captaincy failing to make intelligent decisions is ridiculous.

    The failure of heads up rugby which is your precise issue with the team.

  34. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    anyways no use a great player like Goosen gets corrupted by Mr winning rugby and his pod-making fat arses

  35. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 2:06 pm:

    did you not get the memo? you NEVER critique Jean de Villiers. He is a legend.

  36. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 1:56 pm:

    You’re the one talking out of your arse pal…

    Go ahead… knock yourself out I stopped the comparisons after game 5 which included the smashings from Morne and the Bulls and Lambie and the Sharks and loss to yes… the ‘lowly’ Lions and Jantjes…

  37. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:22 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 2:21 pm:

    http://www.rugbystats.com.au/rugby/super15.html?refresh=1345465324267

  38. avatar biltongbek says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 2:06 pm: David, twice Jean de Villiers had the bal and Mvovo on his outside, both times he ran diagonally trying to outstrio the defence, he is too slow but yet still tried it, both times Mvov ad space and a one on one situation where a pass from Jean would have put Mvovo running at his opposite.

    both times he went into the tackle and both times he got pinged for holding on.

    It is a play, it doesn’t get called, it is common sense when you see there is space for your speedster that you pass the ball to him.

    I am not in the mood to argue with you about what is gameplan and what is recognising the moment and opportunity to get your wing away.

    It is really very simple.

  39. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:53 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 2:22 pm:

    yet go in here and i can count at leat 10 mistakes with these stats. game for example played at north west stadium? Cheetahs winning 26-5? WTF?

    http://www.rugbystats.com.au/matches/rugby/match15503.html

  40. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 2:21 pm:

    and in case you and Davie foes not know this, the 10 does not actually play against the other 10. The Bulls beat the Cheetahs – does not mean Morne ‘beat’ Goosen?

    Except of course in pretty much every game no matter the opponent you can bet he outperforms JdV at 12/13

    :dead horse:

  41. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    In fact that particular stat is so dodgy you almost cannot read into it Bryce? That site needs work

  42. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 2:34 pm:

    according to rugby365 he “ran hard and tackled harder”

    typical SA mindset. Bismarck also ‘runs hard’ never mind a 4 man overlap on his outside.

    I see already Marcel is being made to simply take ball up ala Juan Smith. Liewe Jesus

  43. avatar biltongbek says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 3:03 pm: That is what pisses me off the most, it seems we have tunnel vision, why the hell not pass a bit, must we go dead with the ball.

    Now someone will say to me it is the gameplan.

    It is bullshit, when you have drawn a player and there is space or you can see there is an overlap on one side change the bloody direction of the attack.

    I was tuaght from young to put the ball in the hands of a player in a better position than myself.

    Granted I was a prop, so that was basically just about every time, but hell I understood the concept.

    Even Naas will tell the ball beats the man every time. :bangheadt:

  44. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 3:09 pm

    Oh I see in that game Jantjies had 11 kicks at goal and made 9.

    Goosen had 5 and made 5.

    Both missed a tackle, made same metres (despite Goosen playing 11 minutes shorter), Goosen made 1 more turnover and Jantjies made 1 offload,

    Janee jantjies smoked him!

    Jantjies wins the prize to go make way for fatties in the backline!

  45. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    and in Bulls game Morne and Goosen both did fuckall. Kicked 10 times, Goosen a bit further. Morne made more tackles.

    moerse

  46. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 3:13 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 3:09 pm:

    Naas was a great distributor. Morne pretty much a carbon copy.

    Only diff in Naas time he did not only get the 10th phase ball after 9 pods. And he likely could pass to a 12 that did not look for a landing strip.

  47. avatar biltongbek says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 3:21 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 3:13 pm: Landing strip. :lol:

    Classic.

    Perhaps we should refer to JDV as someone looking for an emergency landing. :whistling:

  48. avatar Timeo says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Too much doom and gloom here.

    Sure the Boks could have played wide and loose and made the bonus point but playing wide and loose against the ABs or Aussies will cost them the match.

    The Boks are working on a game-plan to beat the ABs. It’s no use confusing the larger goal for an extra bonus point in the moment.

  49. avatar Methos The French Stormer says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    All Blacks star Williams to fight Francois Botha

    New Zealand rugby star Sonny Bill Williams will fight former heavyweight contender Francois Botha in Durban on 17 November, according to a promoter.

    Promoter Thinus Strydom said arrangements for the bout, which is scheduled for Durban on 17 November, were concluded this week.

    All Blacks wing Williams is the New Zealand heavyweight champion.

    Botha, 43, has fought Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield and Wladimir Klitschko in a 59-bout career.

    Asked earlier this year about a possible fight against Williams, Botha told South African newspaper Rapport he would do it “during half-time of a rugby match” with “one hand tied behind my back”.

    The 27-year-old Williams helped New Zealand beat Australia on Saturday but is quitting the All Blacks to play rugby union in Japan next season.

    Since 2009 he has boxed five times, winning all of his bouts.

    Cheers

  50. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 2:57 pm:

    What are you on about? Perhaps on your dial-up and Commodore 64…

    They are the same stats from Statspro/Sportsdata in-putted onto a fan’s site and can be broken even further down by clicking the links… more indepth than Verusco…

    Fail mate… it’s all there for you in black and white…

  51. avatar DavidS says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 7:17 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 3:57 pm:

    Hey Brycie

    This is for you…

    I have trained with JP and he is as hard as they come in the West Rand…

    Although you do not see it now he finished the fight with a multiple fractured crushed skull that was so hardcore bone pierced his sinus. EFC is not for sissies…

  52. avatar DavidS says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 3:11 pm:

    So then where do you get off saying Goosen was so hardcore if he sucked against M Steyn and Jantjes smoked him?

    SEcond the Goosen two missed tackles were BOTH on Jantjes and Jantjes linebreaks were two times past Gosen… none of Goosen’s were past Jantjes

    Jantjes smoked him.

    By your measurement then given that he is the third best out of five flyhalves in SA this makes him the (to use your parlance) “die jirretjie jiesus” of flyhalf play in South Africa…

    No wonder you think Burden and Ebersohn are international rugby players…

  53. avatar DavidS says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 8:10 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 2:34 pm:

    BB that is not what I was alluding to.

    But yes even in that case it was a poor decision made a poor decision making player who does not have foresight to think further than forwards with ball in hand.

    That was poor option taking within the context of the gameplan. The gameplan is there as a basis for the players to use to create and select options that work within a specific area of the game. It is up to the attack/backline player to call the play and decide which is best suited for the specific situation.

    What you dscribe is the inability of JDV to use parts of the gameplan that he did not want to… i.e. use a full backline move.

    BTW all the Bok players were guilty of holding on for too long, not just De Villiers… that is technical deficiency the coaching staff will have to address quickly.

    As I have said before… this is not a discussion I can have with you. I wish I could take you to an interview with me when I chat to say the Lions coaching staff. Maybe next time I will do so and tape the damned thing and then you can hear how the game is planned and not decided on the fly…

  54. avatar biltongbek says:
    August 20th, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 8:10 pm: David, you get an interview with Heyneke Meyer I would love to be there.

    Seeing that you at least admitvdecision making isca problem means that younagree with me that there is place for decision making within a move that requires awareness.

  55. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 21st, 2012 at 4:08 am

    Reply to DavidS @ 7:17 pm:

    Great brawl… plenty of dirty boxing with Greco on the wall…

    Both gassed fairly quickly… both could do with better/more leg-kicks (either could have taken advantage with them) and mixed their games up… very similar fighters could also do with more Jits on the ground…

    Good come-back… the game can change in the split of a second with essentially bare-knuckles…

    MMA coming along very nicely in RSA…

    I see the next TUF series from the UFC pits Australia against the UK… going to be a cracker…

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