KDK upset with Allister

August 22, 2012
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Golden Lions president Kevin de Klerk is upset after Western Province and Stormers coach Allister Coetzee hinted he might look at luring a few Lions players for next year’s Super Rugby competition.

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WP take on the Golden Lions in a Currie Cup clash in Johannesburg on Saturday and with the Lions out of the reckoning for next year’s Super Rugby, some of their players could be the target of other unions. Players like Elton Jantjies, Pat Cilliers, Franco van der Merwe, Josh Strauss, JC Janse van Rensburg and Jaco Taute could well be targeted.

Coetzee admitted earlier this week they might be interested in luring a player or two from the Johannesburg-team.

“Some of the other franchise-teams will look to see if players will be available due to the Lions not playing Super Rugby,” Coetzee was reported as saying.

“Elton Jantjies is a player who has an exit-clause in his contract if the Lions do not play in the Super-series.”

De Klerk admitted to Beeld that there are “one or two players with such (exit) clauses” in their contracts. However, he wasn’t all that happy about Coetzee’s statement.

“I really like Allister a lot, but I’m absolutely stunned that he made such an opportunistic statement. Where is the spirit of sport and the respect between us? What’s going on here is not sport.

“What happened to us was not our decision.

“I’m asking politely that they (the other unions) just portray a little bit of etiquette,” said De Klerk.

The Lions-WP clash at Coca-Cola Park kicks off at 17:05 on Saturday.

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16 Comments

  1. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Dog eat dog in the professional world of rugby… and using an ‘escape- clause) rather than a loop-hole is hardly as immoral…

  2. avatar Craven says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 9:08 am

    Cry me a river Kevin. Where was the etiquette when you kicked out your coaches a few weeks back? You can’t act like a clown and then demand others treat you differently.

  3. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 9:07 am: My point exactly does he really think players want to stay with a union where they will not play Supershit and come in reconing for bok honours.

    De Klerk live in lala land if he really think loyelty and rugby goes together. If he wants loyelty….get a dog :Boertjie normaal:

  4. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 9:39 am

    Reply to Craven @ 9:08 am:

    Err… Mitchell was sacked rightly so… unable to motivate his players, unable to man-manage them and more importantly unable to move anywhere on the S15 ladder but back down to wooden spoon…

  5. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 9:39 am: You know it is nonsens, we sytill do not really kmnow why Mitchell was sacked. And this is teh same guy who got the CC back to JHB last year with such a happy family.

    Administrators are PR people they only say what makes them look good do not want to say everthing, don’t trust them at all does not matter who he was before or what he did before they all lie

  6. avatar PleaseCouldSomeOneExplainToAshelyJohnsonWhatIsaW.A.S.P.AssebliefManne says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 10:40 am

    Give a little … :respek:

  7. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 10:46 am

    Reply to PleaseCouldSomeOneExplainToAshelyJohnsonWhatIsaW.A.S.P.AssebliefManne @ 10:40 am: I try but I fail….

  8. avatar Morné says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 12:37 pm

    Lions lost their arbitration case against Pumas and Leopards.

    When it rains, it pours.

  9. avatar Craven says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 9:39 am:
    Might be, but what about Carlos and the other guy who thought they were part of the new coaching structure only to be told they’re out?

  10. avatar Ollie says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Reply to Craven @ 1:37 pm:

    This part in particuler:

    “I received an e-mail saying my contract had been terminated with immediate effect, despite conversations a few weeks ago with the decision-makers in which they said they wanted us (himself and Spencer) to stay,” said Taylor.

  11. avatar Craven says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 4:29 pm

    Reply to Ollie @ 1:54 pm:

    Exactly! Why does the mighty Kev reckon the Lions deserve any better from the other unions?

  12. avatar Craven says:
    August 22nd, 2012 at 4:30 pm

    And to think Kev is upset about being “assured” that no team will fall out to make room for the Kings. Karma’s a bitch Kev.

  13. avatar Timeo says:
    August 23rd, 2012 at 12:00 am

    Just days after being ejected from the Vodacom Super Rugby competition, the Golden Lions Rugby Union were dealt another crippling blow as they will have to pay millions of Rands in outstanding franchise fees to their partners in the Lions franchise, the Leopards and Pumas Rugby Unions.

    Judge WJ Hartzenberg ruled in favour of the two smaller unions in a decision that will could cost the Lions more than R5.5-million over the next few weeks, and more if they delay in making the payments.

    With rumours already of the Lions being cash-strapped, and struggling with the prospect of little or no international competition next year in Super Rugby, the ruling – which was done with costs – will come as a massive body blow to Lions president Kevin de Klerk and his fellow officials at the Union.

    Judge Hartzenberg ordered the Lions to immediately pay the amount of R2 565 000 to the Leopards Rugby Union in respect of franchise fees owed to it for the 2008, 2009 and 2010 seasons when they were part of the Cats and Lions franchise.

    The Pumas chose to write off debt they had at the Golden Lions with their share of the award, but both unions are in for further payments as the division of the franchise fees for 2011/12 still need to be determined.

    Furthermore, the R2.5-million award to the Leopards will accrue interest “at the rate of 15,5% from the date of the arbitration agreement, 31 May 2012, until date of payment” according to the ruling.

    The franchise fees for 2011/2012 need to be determined as a matter of urgency, and Judge Hartzenberg ordered the parties to find an amicable agreement on the division of R6.6-million for the two years within two days from the judgement. If no agreement can be made in that time period, he instructed the South African Rugby Union to step in and determine how the money should be divided between the three unions.

    However, the perplexing thing about the entire saga, is that none of the three parties had any documentation to support the agreement or deny it in any way, and in the end it was the Lions’ payment of fees over the first three years that ultimately proved there was an agreement, despite the Lions denying this altogether.

    As in the Saru decision on the Super Rugby franchise, the Lions offered no alternative nor defence, nor had anyone testify in their defence in the arbitration hearings, while the Leopards were represented by their president, Advocate Andre May and the Pumas by their president Hein Mentz.

    Others to testify in the arbitration included Leopards CEO Louis du Plessis, former Lions president Prof Jannie Ferreira and Saru’s head of legal affairs Christo Ferreira.

    Despite the Lions denying there was ever a partnership, Judge Hartzenberg clearly found the opposite, stating in his judgement: “The question which again presents itself is, how on earth could the Third Defendant (SARU) succeed in presenting a Rugby competition, through five franchises, if the parties, to the franchise agreements, were not bound by some or other agreement. It is clear that the parties regarded the agreements as binding on them,” the judgement reads.

    The Lions are keeping mum in reaction to the judgement, with no reply to phone calls to acting CEO Ruben Moggee and emails to the Union.

    The Leopards and Pumas put out a joint statement confirming the decision, and saying they “remained committed to making the franchise work, despite the fact the Lions will not be playing in the Vodacom Super Rugby series in 2013.”

    Saru Chief Executive Jurie Roux said they were waiting on the confirmation of the decision and a copy of the decision of the arbitrator. “Once we have had time to study that, we will reply through the appropriate channels.”

  14. avatar Timeo says:
    August 23rd, 2012 at 12:02 am

    How’s the Lions finances Dawie?

    Can they afford these payments AND hang on to their players for a year?

    This is the best part:

    However, the perplexing thing about the entire saga, is that none of the three parties had any documentation to support the agreement or deny it in any way, and in the end it was the Lions’ payment of fees over the first three years that ultimately proved there was an agreement, despite the Lions denying this altogether.

  15. avatar Timeo says:
    August 23rd, 2012 at 12:06 am

    Best thing SARU can do now is to figure out a way to dissolve the GLRU.
    The problem with the SR franchises will be solved permanently.

  16. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    August 23rd, 2012 at 4:36 am

    Reply to Timeo @ 12:02 am:

    Shocking… ‘cash cash’ to the extreme… no doubt full of back-handing and bank top-ups!

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