Rigtinglose Bokke

September 9, 2012
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Die Springbokke se vertoning gister teen die Wallabies het weereens bewys dat Suid-Afrikaanse afrigters hulle te veel bemoei met wat hulle nie het nie, eerder as om dit wat hulle wel het tot sy volle potensiaal aan te wind.

As die wedstryd self nie genoeg rede was om jou ’n gemoedsbekakking te besorg nie moet jy liewers nie jou tyd mors om die opmerkings van die afrigter en kaptein van die Springbokke na die tyd te luister nie.

Soos met die Argentynse toets het die afrigter en kaptein uit hulle pad gegaan om die afwesigheid van ondervinding te bestempel as die grootste rede vir die nederlaag teen sekerlik een van die swakste Australiese spanne in 30 jaar.

“Ons het vir 60 minute ons wedstryd plan goed toegepas en hulle onder groot druk gesit,” het Meyer gesê.

“Maar twee sagte oomblikke en die feit dat ons vir Jannie (du Plessis) en Bryan (Habana), twee van ons mees ervare spelers verloor het, het beteken dat ons baie onervare spelers op die veld gehad het – en as jy weg van die huis af speel  en op hierdie vlak, sal dit jou kos.”

Jean de Villiers op sy beurt het Meyer se punt beklemtoon om te sê dat die Australiese slot, Nathan Sharpe, meer toetswedstryde agter die blad het as die hele Springbok voorspeler pak saam gesit.

Hy het verder ook genoem toe daar aan hom gevra is wat hulle op moet verbeter dat; “Ek dink dit was ’n groot verbetering op die vorige wedstryd en kan nie aan een spesifieke aspek dink waarin ons rêrig swak was nie?”

“Natuurlik moet ons nog in alle aspekte verbeter en ons sal leer uit die ondervinding maar die manne het alles daarbuite gegee.”

Die tema van die verskonings-lys behoort nie vir enige Bok-ondersteuner iets nuuts te wees nie.  Van Jake White se dae is daar elke naweek groot klem gelê op die aantal toetse wat die spelers agter die rug het en hoe dit die ondervinding van die span en dus die resultate as ’n geheel beïnvloed.

Maar dit is juis hierdie tema wat homself tuis gemaak het onder Suid-Afrikaanse rugby afrigters en tot ’n mindere mate, ondersteuners, wat seker maak dat ons vir jare aan die agterste speen gesuig het en sal bly suig as dit by konstante, positiewe rugby resultate kom.

Hierdie konserwatiewe, argaïese denkwyse bepaal dat ons veel eerder met ’n ervare, maar buite vorm speler sal deurdruk teen enige rugby-logika as om ’n talentvolle, maar onervare speler ’n kans te gee.

Baie min van ons huidige en selfs oud-afrigters het hulle spanne se omkeer beslis deur hulself pro-aktief aan te wend, maar is eerder forseer deur faktore soos beserings en skorsings om uit die gat uit te klim wat hulle vir hulself gegrawe het.  Die mees onlangse voorbeeld hiervan kan gevind word in WP Rugby se totale omkeer in speelstyl wat in werklikheid niks te doen het met ’n verandering in wedstrydplan nie, maar eerder die resultaat is van ’n jong groep spelers wat hulle self onbeperk uitleef in die strukture waarin die meer ervare, senior spelers, gesukkel het.

Dit wil sê dat die probleem met die Springbokke tans nie soseer lê by hulle wedstryd plan nie, maar eerder vir die feit dat hulle nie al die spelers het om daardie plan suksesvol deur te voer nie.  Dit is ook ’n klap in die gesig vir die jong gesigte in die Bok-span met die konstante verwysing na ervaring, of die afwesigheid daarvan, as die rede vir hulle resultate as dit duidelik vir hierdie skrywer is dat hulle na die enigste spelers lyk wat iets (wil) bydra tot die span!

Eenvoudig gestel, as senior spelers nie vertroue in hulself of hul spel op die oomblik het nie hoort hulle nie op die toetsveld nie.  Toets rugby is nie ’n plek om jou vorm te herwin nie, dis waarom ons ’n 120-jaar oue Currie-beker kompetisie het.  En na my mening kan Heyneke Meyer nie verwag dat ons moet aanvaar dat hy ’die vermoë het om ’n speler terug na vorm af te rig op die vlak nie, dit is nie sy werk nie.

Die Springbokke pak volgende naweek die Wêreldkampioene op hulle tuisveld en dit is nie ervaring wat hulle tot ’n  onwaarskynlike wen sal lei nie, maar eerder die geloof om te weet jy kan wen.

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47 Comments

  1. avatar Bekke says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 12:59 pm

    Hak Hak is on his own – and it’s his own decision to surround him with his buddies, who can add zero to develope ideas to move forward. Will not be surprised if even Rassie has been sidelined to a large extend. Difference between the All Black box during the first game (where whole coaching team interacted in review of game) and the Bok box (where only the dictator featured, with useless screaming in walky talky) was obvious. Result of the game (against an Oz team that would have struggled in S15!!!) was no surprise – writing has been on the wall for a while – only ignored by fools looking at results only, while ignoring the context on the field for 80 minutes. And Saru management must also take blame, for allowing Dictator to fark up 100 years of Bok pride…

  2. avatar Boertjie says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm

    Author? Source?
    Stephen Nel, Rapport?

  3. avatar biltongbek says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Wel e gee op, ek weet duidelik nie wat de donner aangaan nie, maar een ding is seker, ons is kak.

  4. avatar Morné says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 1:45 pm:

    Nee oom Boer – nie een van hulle nie – ek het die geskryf.

  5. avatar Duiwel says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    If you lose
    You deserve the kak.
    I Hope the press and public
    mauls them for that utter shit.

  6. avatar DavidS says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 2:57 pm:

    Fokken uitstekende stuk Morne!

    Goeie Afrikaans selfs Oupa Boer het gedink dis Media 24!

    Ieder geval dis waarheid. As dit net oor ervaring gegaan het sou die All Blacks nooit vir Aaron Cruden losgelaat het teen Argentynse opposisie nie…

  7. avatar Deon says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 3:43 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 2:57 pm:

    Welgedaan jou soutie.

  8. avatar biltongbek says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    Die feit dat j d Villiers so baie “experience” het en ook kak was, vertel jou alles.

    As jy nie goed is nie maak experience jou nie eintlik beter nie.

  9. avatar Boertjie says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 3:30 pm:

    Die soutie maak dieselfde foutjies as
    Rapport – maar anders as Rapport het
    hy ‘n verskoning.
    :-)

  10. avatar Morné says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 4:26 pm:

    My grammatika was nooit die beste nie! :)

  11. avatar DavidS says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm

    Die vraag nou is quo vadis Bokke?

    Is dit die afrigter?

    Die span?

    Wat nou?

    As ons gaan met bv.

    9. Super Sarel
    10. Da Goose
    11. Banana
    12. Taute
    13. Jordaan
    14. Fok weet (Ruhle?)
    15. Aplon

    En die vories gee nie vir hulle bal nie wat gebeur dan? Dan is ons goed gefok… weer ‘n 50 punt pakslae

  12. avatar Bekke says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    Even with that team, the dictator’s enforced plan will be kick and pray. Only solution now is to lose by a massive margin, and pray Hak Hak also realise what 1000′s of us already know. And thar he then has the integrity to adjust and not run away with golden handshake (like @ Leichester).

  13. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Hartseer maar waar, ek foken weet nie meer nie :shake:

  14. avatar Boertjie says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    Wie moet die voorspelers leer van
    losskrums skoonmaak?
    Wie moet hulle leer van ondersteuning?
    Wie moet die hele fokken span leer van
    offloads, of sommer net gewone aangeë
    en balverplasings?
    As jy die bal verplaas, verplaas jy die
    kontakpunt vir die opponerende speler.
    Ensovoorts.
    Want dis duidelik die spelers het nie
    ‘n fokken clue nie.
    :Boertjie GOM:

  15. avatar Timeo says:
    September 9th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Way too much doom and gloom here.

    The Pumas are a lot better than what most people expected them to be and this is certainly not the worst Australian team in 30 years. Their record against the All Blacks is poor yes, but against all others they’ve been pretty good and deservedly the world number 2 for a while. A depleted Bok team was ahead for about 60min.

    In Australia, since 2000, the Boks have won 2, lost 14 and 1 draw. Bok fans seem to think it’s our God given right to beat Australia, always and every where.

    This is a dreamland.

    Jake White and Peter de Villiers have 1 win in Australia each. That’s it!
    And before that, in the 90s, 2 wins and 5 losses. Mallett the Great, beat Australia, in Australia, once by one point.

  16. avatar Timeo says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    In a total of 19 losses in Australia, since re-admission, the average points margin was 14,5.

    If losing by 7 signals, that the Bok is directless and a dying breed, then when last was the Bok alive with direction?

  17. avatar Timeo says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:49 am

    +7
    -8
    -7
    -5
    -12
    +1
    -26
    -21
    -20 the previous four were Mallett!!!!
    0
    -11
    -20
    -4
    -18
    +3
    -49
    -2
    -8 the previous 6 were White
    -7
    +7
    -15
    -17
    -19 up to here we have PdV
    -7

  18. avatar Kevin Rack says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 5:23 am

    The Boks have direction. They have been directed to kick and chase.
    The issue is they are predictable. Everything they do the oppostion is waiting for them hence they get driven back.

    They know when we will kick or pass to the pod or backline shuffle with a crash ball and they know we prefer to go to ground.

    We could keep the samer players but we need to change the game plan. Or we bring in players that are unpredictable and create.
    DONT LET ANY ONE EVER TELL YOU THE BOKS CANNOT PLAY RUNNING RUGBY.

  19. avatar biltongbek says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 9:19 am

    I have written this email to SARU, doubt I’ll get any reponse.
    …………………………………………..

    Dear SARU.

    It is with a heavy heart and pure frustration that I write this letter, let me firstly say I really do hope you read this and respond with an informative and thoughtful communication.

    I have never been a Bulls supporter and therefor knew little of Heyneke Meyer prior to his appointment. I was well aware of the squad he built with the Bulls in the early 2000’s and the success he has had (Frans Ludeke subsequently).

    With our very poor record over the last two years preceding Meyer’s appointment, I welcomed the thought of a new coach.
    By all accounts the Bulls supporters were in 7th heaven at the announcement that Heyneke Meyer will be taking the reign for the next four years.

    Understandably due to little preparation time before the English Test series, I like many other Springbok supporters didn’t expect any revolutionary rugby during that series, but in turn would have been satisfied with a 3-0 series win.

    For the Rugby championship my expectations based on the performances during the Super XV and specifically the poor form of the Australian Stars, my expectation was to win 4 out of six matches minimum with hopefully a win against the all Blacks at home to make it 5 wins. I also expected at least one bonus point win against the Argentinians at home.

    You may say as Springbok supporters our expectations are unrealistically high, but then you need to understand that South African rugby must aim to be number one in the world.
    Second place is simply not acceptable, anything worse than that is frankly embarrassing.

    We have riches of talent that is only rivaled by New Zealand, however there is a question mark as to why of the more than 200 South Africans plying their trade overseas, more than 70% of them are forwards.

    There is a belief that South Africa’s traditional strengths lie with our forwards, which in my view is fast becoming a myth. Prior to the professional era our natural physical prowess provided us an edge over the opposition and there for played a big role in our successes prior to the professional era.

    The reality is every professional player these days, spend enough time training in the gymnasium to negate our natural physical prowess.

    What other teams have learnt in the professional era is to play intelligent rugby, something we have as yet not adapted to.

    Part and parcel of the belief that we are physically at an advantage, has encumbered our willingness to create intelligent forwards and backs, there is a distinct lack of willingness to create space, running a player into space, offloading into space.

    This stems from the fact that we play too deep from 10.

    Look at any of our back line moves over the past number of years, our inside center receives ball way behind the advantage line, which essentially means that opposition defences simply have to drift as we naturally run towards the sideline, no player comes on the inside shoulder of the ball carrier and as what happened this weekend, the ball carrier and support runner are simply bundled into touch.

    Hence we continue to believe it is better to attempt to run through defences rather than creating space.

    The first lesson I learnt as a young boy playing rugby was to always pass the ball to a player in a better position than me.

    Our Players have forgotten that principle.

    Merely passing the ball from 10 to 12 to 13 to 14 (if it ever gets that far) is not achieving much at all.

    We never create doubt in defences, they know exactly what we are going to do, so our primary focus is to hope someone misses a tackle, if not, well then we just don’t score.

    I was listening to Victor Matfield commentate on the Currie Cup match between the Bulls and Lions the weekend, and by way of his comment it showed me the mindset the Boks have had for the past number of years. He spoke about kicking the up and under to pressurize the fullback, hoping that the pressure can turn into a penalty of maybe five pointer.

    So our focus is not to create scoring opportunities, but rather hoping for opposition mistakes, be it a transgression or a turn over.

    There are two things wrong with that sentiment, it tells me we don’t have the belief or confidence that we can keep ball in hand and display enough patience and creativity to outfox defences.

    It also tells me our mindset is to accumulate points by three’s.

    If that is the case, it is no wonder we have not cultivated any creative back play, our coaches don’t believe in it, and our players certainly don’t believe in it.

    My question to SARU is simple.

    Are we aiming to be the leaders in rugby, or are we simply content with being also rans?

    If SARU and Springbok rugby are aiming to be world leaders, you are doing a very poor job of convincing this Springbok supporter and many others like me.

  20. avatar Husamarine says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Hell, what a joke! Reading all this illogical and emotional vomit being passed as “comments” one can only but shake your head at the average Springbok supporter.

    Yes, they did not play well. But what did anyone expect!!! What makes the average Springbok supporter always think/believe/expect that the Boks are the best team in the world and should merely trample any opposition that they play against. Nothing less.

    The “worst Wallaby team in years…..”??? And the Boks are
    supposed to be so good because of…….??? What???

    The only person that provided a comment with any sound perspective is Timeo. Others are like women that only know emotion and no reason…..

    So the Boks regularly waltzes into Aus and merely brushes aside the Wallabies with the kind of ease that is to be expected.

    Lets look at this fantastic Bok team that should merely rock up in order to thrash the worst Aus team to date…..

    - New-ish hooker in the team. Critical position where we previously had a very experience pairing of hookers.
    - New (not just one, but two) and very inexperienced locks to add to the hooker. We previously had the most experienced pairing of locks ever in the history of rugby.
    - New loose forwards. Ah, now don’t this just strike fear into the opposition…..
    - Scrumhalf that has just never been counted amongst the best in the world – don’t care what anyone says. Oh, yes – how experienced was our previous scrumhalf??
    - Flyhalf that has lost but all of the his last remaining confidence. He is probably shitting himself when he runs onto the field. Never liked him that much, but he is probably all that we had available. Now he probably would have fared better if he had some support from the media and supporters. But no, just read the comments above. SA supporters are all better coaches and selectors and can only but completely destroy players’ confidence with ongoing critique.
    - Ah, the centre pairing. It can only be a Province supporter that could ever but imagine that JdV will lead the Boks in a try fest!! This is the same JdV that was responsible for organising and leading the Stormers attack in scoring a record number of tries in Super Rugby…….
    - Wings. Now how the wings weren’t able to at least score two tries each with a wonderful distributor like JdV on their inside God only knows….

    Now we get to the “dictator”. How he is not able to organise these top quality players into a world beating side I just don’t know. Hell, he has had ample time to forge them into a team that will strike fear into any opposition. I mean, it has been what, five or six games now at the helm? No, you are right. He is kak! He has had the full support of the media and bok supporters, been given enough time to build the team. Time to pick a new coach. Hell, we’ve got loads of good coaches in SA. Just like at the amount of Super trophies that we have won!!!

    Thank God I am not a Bok coach…..!!

  21. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Firstly, you send it to the wronge people, nobody at SARU will even understand what the fuck you talking about, all they talk about is how to change Sprinbok and Supershit rugby to make more money play our top players more into the ground so that you will give up rugby by 26 years of age.

    If someone do understand what you are saying they willnot have the brians to answer you except by saying we have alot of young players who is getting experice and we are on teh right track. They believe in HM and his plan for the Boks although they do not know what the fuck HM is doing or his so called gameplan.

    But from My side I totaly agree with your points. I truly believe that the CC PD are on a Higher qaulity at this stage than what the Boks are playing. In the first CC game between WP and The Sharks on a wet Newlands I saw better rugby than this kick and no chase shit that HM and his boks are dishing up at this stage.

    I truly believe that HM are reverting backl to teh BUlls gameplan because he has so many injured first choice players out. I never believed we would be competitive in the 4N and said so much when we played an young England team earlier this year. We need to write off this year as a year of developing the bardnd HM wants toplay and use the EOY tour to bring these yongsters in. BUt HM felkl into the same trap as all coaches before him by not telling the supporters his plans. I am sure if he explained the way he wants to take Bok rugby forward we would be more understanding.

    Just my take on it

  22. avatar Bekke says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    Husamarine, if you are happy with mediocre performances and are willing to dish out money to go and watch this crap: Be my guest. However, if you are too blind to see the writing on the wall, do not bull us with some humanistic blah-de-blah-dee that all are good and well on the western front! The pride of SA is going backwards at the speed of light!! Looking at the results in the S15, we should have walked over the Oz team – if you do not believe that, I suggest you switch to soccer (where you can join the hordes of SA supporters – all VERY happy with our paloekas wearing some shade of green with a protea somewhere on the shirt…)

  23. avatar biltongbek says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Reply to Husamarine @ 11:00 am: I think the joke goes a little further than you imagine.

    The joke is on all of us. As Bekke says, if you are happy with this shit then good on you.

    This has been going on for far too long.

  24. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 9:19 am:

    You could have just said…

    -Why do the Boks no longer clear-out and smash the rucks as a unit?
    -Why do they not pick-n-go at pace with support anymore?
    -Why do they never counter-ruck?

    Why have they not learned anything from their RWC exit?

    Much more simple…

  25. avatar Husamarine says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Bekke, either you are stubbornly failing to read what I have said or it is just a case of more emtional outburts.

    Did I say that I was happy with the display or that they played well?

    I was talking about supporters’ misguided expectations and outburts.

    These especially are pearlers: “…100 years of Bok pride” and “pride of SA is going backwards at the speed of light”

    Sorry, but what the hell are you on about? Oh wait, is it PDivvies bags of victories that he scored in Aus and NZ? No, it must be Jake’s marvelous track record of victories against the Wallabies and the AB’s. Oh you were referring to Nick? Or is it Carel, Mcintosh, Markgraaf, Straeuli….. Hell, when dit you start watching rugby!

    Hell, we had one of the most capped and experienced rugby teams in history for the last 10 or so years. What is their track record like against Oz and NZ? And now you rant and rave because a injury ravaged young team does not play OZ off the field. Where the hell does your misplaced expectation come from??

    They played kak thats for sure, but the continuous emotional knee-jerk reactions from supporters and the media will not improve things. That is also a fact. You want the coach to deliver miracles with this kind of team in a matter of a few games??

    What is your solution? Fire the coach again? Change the whole team? Bloody hell, you just cant please anyone….

    And please don’t try and paint me with this humanistic, liberal, bleeding heart kind of crap brush just because I don’t chuck my toys out of the cot like a child!

  26. avatar biltongbek says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 12:03 pm: I could have, but I didn’t want to.

  27. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:15 pm

    Reply to Husamarine @ 12:04 pm:

    Yep… take out the injured Horwill, J’OC, Moore, Pocock… that was 85% the team that beat the AB’s to take the 3N last year… the extra’s like Shipperly and Dennis (the form S15 Tahs forward) are improvements…

    These ‘easy-beats’ beat the 6N champions in every game.

    But that doesn’t detract from Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 12:03 pm: where they handed the game to the Wallabies in the 2nd half…

  28. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:18 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 12:13 pm:

    Too much effort then for their secretary who has more than likely only just learned how to open emails :wink:

  29. avatar Husamarine says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Every time a new coach is appointed it is the same old, same old…..

    After three or four games it is shit coach, shit players, shit Saru, shit everything….. Coach under pressure and retreats back to a very conservative way of thicking – play not to lose instead playing to win. Now everyone gets more emtional and critizes everything up to the energy drink the players are using. Calls for the coaches head. Play becomes more conservative and son on and so on…. What bloody coaches have we got left?

    My goodness, you guys harp on about things not changing in SA rugby. What has ever changed with regards to how we support??

  30. avatar Husamarine says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:38 pm

    You want creative coaches, but SA supporters have any new coach fighting for his job before his team has even played their first game!! How on earth is a coach ever going to have the freedom and confidence to ever even try to be creative under these conditions!!

    You guys are the ones killing off any creativity and by implication “Bok pride”.

    PDivvy (bless his crazy heart) wanted to try and build a creative, free-thinking, try-scoring team in his first year (this is what you supposedly want, isn’t it). But oh, no…..the fans were baying for his blood after a couple of losses on any type of forum and media platform. What happened? Killed of any plans on creativity….. Coach and players reverted to playing not to lose.

    Now who was responsible for that? Saru??

  31. avatar Boertjie says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:39 pm

    Reply to Husamarine @ 12:23 pm:

    Let me repeat what Bryce wrote:
    -Why do the Boks no longer clear-out and smash the rucks as a unit?
    -Why do they not pick-n-go at pace with support anymore?
    -Why do they never counter-ruck?

    He could have added counter attack.

    Is this coaching or ability?
    Whichever one – or a combination – it is
    very difficult to keep on supporting a
    team with these obvious flaws.
    But I will – just my patriotic sense.

  32. avatar Morné says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:45 pm

    Reply to Husamarine @ 12:38 pm:

    I am struggling to follow you here.

    We should not criticize?

    Tell the coach everything is okay?

    Take as long as you need?

    The coach is being criticized for his own admissions and comments.

    “There are two types of rugby, winning rugby and losing rugby”

    5 played, 2 drawn, 1 loss.

    Indeed nothing has changed – been the same with PDV, White (2006), Straeuli, et al.

    I wrote about this in May already, saying exactly just that – Meyer will firstly be judged on matter that has nothing to do with rugby (his Bulls bias) and following his first loss – expect this to be amplified.

    Doesn’t take a genius to have predicted this.

    But then, that is why they are called the professionals and are paid the big bucks isn’t it?

  33. avatar Husamarine says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm

    Boertjie,

    I have no problem with constructive critizism and those are specific concerns that need to be debated with open and clear minds. Sooner or later these ideas (if correct) will filter through to the bok set-up.

    Coming back to those points it also needs to be said that in order to function as a unit, the players need to have played on a regular basis as a unit where each player knows what his job is at the breakdown and where his support is. This will also lead to improvements in the pace at which those rucks are approached and cleared. We were blessed with a previous forward pack that gelled together as a unit. I believe that sooner, rather than later our new forwards will improve drastically, but it requires a strong coach that will stick with a core unit.

    Backs to me is of a much bigger concern. We have no distributors, confidence or creativity at 10, 12 and 13. 10 and 13 is of really big concern….

  34. avatar biltongbek says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 12:45 pm: agree with you, but it isn’t this result that has escalated this criticism, it is the actual play.

    for the past 6 matches apart from a few moments in the first two english tests watching the Boks has been like seeing a ferrari spinning in mud.

    Meyer said execution is key, well it has gotten worse.
    Meyer said we must improve every game, well it has gone backwards.
    Meyer believes in his plan and says they are on the right track, how the hell does he measure that?

  35. avatar Morné says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 12:55 pm:

    Just quickly scanned through these comments (and from memory other articles in the last month) and apart from Bekke (bless his little soul) I cannot see anyone calling for Meyer’s head?

    I see identifications of problem areas, concerns over player’s form, etc.

    Nothing unusual.

  36. avatar Husamarine says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm

    Hi Morne,

    Please refer previous post. It is the unrealistic emotional outburst on all forums and media and especially the very unrealistic supporter expectations (bordering on arrogance) that irks me.

    It is because of unrealtistic expectations that everyone feels terribly let down when we lose, leading to the emotional outburts.

    Meyer was always going to have a number of losses in his first year or two. That was inevitable. Maybe he contributed to the expectations with his utterances. He should have known better on that front. But then again the fans should’ve also known better (which is not evident in some of the responses above).

  37. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 1:16 pm

    Reply to Husamarine @ 1:05 pm: Emotional out burst is part of a Supporters way of life, if you do not have that anymore then you have no reason for supporting that team anymore.

    Agree with Morne, nobody is sayting HM must go but we starting to get fedup with comments made by him and Jean on how good they actually are and we need not to worry for they are on teh right track. My 12 year old son is pissed off the way teh Boks played on Saturday and he has the right to it as well. He was asking me why we kick away all the balls we have?

    I would love if HM would be different than the other coaches and tell us his way forward and plan maybe then I can also understand and exsplain to my son as I just say now that do not know why. Even he can see that the Aussie, NZ play rugby that will win you more games than losing it. Aus played two games against number 1 team in the world and lost but showed against number 3 team that they still their just behind teh AB

  38. avatar Morné says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

    Reply to Husamarine @ 1:05 pm:

    Meyer can only be realistically judged by this time next year, said it before, and will continue to say it.

    But he has failed in managing the expectation of the media and public and this is an area he should have known better.

    When I wrote Meyer will first be judged on his apparent Bulls bias before he is judged on rugby results long before he even elected his first squad, I was taken to the cleaners. It is not like I opened a Facebook page to petition the fact, I simply knew it was going to happen.

    When I said in the same article that there will be those out there that cannot wait for him to lose his first match, I said it on the same principle.

    It does not take Nostradamus to see this was going to happen – I just wished Heyneke would have managed what was inevitable much better.

    He has created the Messiah aura for which people now judge him on – and of course it is unfair – the records you and Timeo quoted above shows these results, with the injuries he has suffered, should have been expected.

    Most concerning for me is the feeling I get Meyer wants to prove people wrong in his selections and so-called game-plan. It is a dangerous position to take for a coach.

    These flaws in our current game can be fixed – the theme of my article above centers around a pro-active mind-set change that I believe is needed by the coach, not so much a game-plan change.

    And that is a relatively small change which potentially can have a massive impact.

  39. avatar biltongbek says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 1:40 pm

    Reply to Husamarine @ 1:05 pm: It isn’t only about the results Husamarine, it is about the performances, poor execution, poor discipline, not enough intensity at the breakdown, no creating space.

    Opponents know exactly what we are going to do, they are geared for it, we play behind the advantage line, we don’t make opposing defence hesitate for one moment, we don’t pass to a player in a better situation, we don’t create space, we simply go through the motions and hope for the best.

    They showed on Superport before the game, the four tries we socred against the Puma’s, only one of those tries had any passes in it, to be precise 2 passes.

    The other three tries came from a kick, a chargedown, and a drive.

    Pathetic.

  40. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    I’m far less concerned with a loss against the world number 2′s than I am in the deficiencies at the breakdown on our ball and theirs and the lack of being able to counter-attack (thanks Boertjie)…

    These 3 things less so the latter have been glaringly missing since the Boks played the 1/4 finals…

    The Argies can play as a unit in these areas and improve each week’without’ their stars and with only a handful of games together… the AB’s always play as a unit from the get go and this with a relatively new pack/22…

    Why not the Boks?

  41. avatar Ollie says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Reply to Husamarine @ 12:38 pm:

    Actually it was the players that wanted to go back to the “Old” way of playing, they approached PDV and asked to change it.

  42. avatar Ollie says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 2:14 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 1:17 pm:

    At the moment HM has a win ratio of 40% (2 wins of 5)

    His record with the Bulls was also off to a very slow start, looks like he is the same way with the Boks

  43. avatar Ollie says:
    September 10th, 2012 at 2:28 pm

    Reply to Ollie @ 2:14 pm:

    Sorry, correction, 50% (3 from 6)

  44. avatar Bekke says:
    September 11th, 2012 at 9:32 am

    35% after coming weekend, or may we see a surprise?

  45. avatar Bekke says:
    September 11th, 2012 at 9:40 am

    Good chance of us actually ending LAST in 4N

  46. avatar Jacques(Bunny) says:
    September 11th, 2012 at 10:45 am

    Gisteraand kom my vrou by die huis aan terwyl ek le en kyk na die highlights van die Bokke se game…toe se sy: ” Aaag Shame man, is die paralympics nog steeds aan?? :whistling:

  47. avatar Ollie says:
    September 11th, 2012 at 4:36 pm

    Reply to Jacques(Bunny) @ 10:45 am:

    :muahaha:

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