WP forced to make changes

October 17, 2012
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DHL Western Province head coach Allister Coetzee has named his team for Saturday’s Absa Currie Cup semifinal meeting with the defending champion MTN Golden Lions at Coca-Cola Park in Johannesburg (19h00).

Coetzee has made just four changes to the side that defeated the Free State Cheetahs last weekend, with lock De Kock Steenkamp, hooker Scarra Ntubeni and inside centre Marcel Brache coming in for the injured Springbok trio of Andries Bekker (toe), Tiaan Liebenberg (back) and Jean de Villiers (hamstring), respectively.

“Fortunately De Kock Steenkamp, Scarra Ntubeni and Marcel aren’t strangers to our systems,” said Coetzee. “They’ve always played well when given a chance and now they have a chance to start again.”

The final change to the DHL WP line-up sees Gio Aplon take over at fullback from Joe Pietersen, the latter dropping down to the bench where he is joined by Deon Carstens, Wilhelm van der Sluys and Damian de Allende who come into the matchday 22 this week for the trip to Coca-Cola Park.

Looking ahead to Saturday, and facing the defending champion Lions on their own turf, Coetzee added: “They are the champions and a few players who did not play against the Bulls are returning from injury. They’ll be even stronger (come this Saturday).”

The DHL Western Province team to take on the MTN Golden Lions is as follows:

15. Gio Aplon
14. Gerhard van den Heever
13. Juan de Jongh
12. Marcel Brache
11. Bryan Habana
10. Demetri Catrakilis
9. Nic Groom
8. Duane Vermeulen
7. Don Armand
6. Deon Fourie (captain)
5. De Kock Steenkamp
4. Eben Etzebeth
3. Frans Malherbe
2. Scarra Ntubeni
1. Steven Kitshoff

16. Deon Carstens
17. Brok Harris
18. Wilhelm van der Sluys
19. Jebb Sinclair
20. Louis Schreuder
21. Damian de Allende
22. Joe Pietersen

Referee: Marius Jonker

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  1. avatar Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas says:
    October 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm

    Jean not in team :wave:

  2. avatar Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas says:
    October 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    De Jongh and Brache can be a deadly combination if they can feed from each other

  3. avatar Morné says:
    October 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Reply to Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas @ 1:51 pm:

    Brache has the shittest hands I have seen in a centre for a bloody long time.

    WP will take a beating this weekend.

  4. avatar Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas says:
    October 17th, 2012 at 2:32 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 1:57 pm: How many games did you see this year, youngster and all his faults can be worked on, I for one like the dude even from Varsity games he showed the right stuff to be a good player.

    Remind me of alot about Jean when he started for WP.

  5. avatar Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas says:
    October 17th, 2012 at 2:35 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 1:57 pm: 11 of the Superhit sqaud…..they should take this Lions team.

    All depends on what WP team will show up, the supeshit one or the one that showed that they can actually run in the game of rugby

  6. avatar Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas says:
    October 17th, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Don’t be suprise if you see a WP vs Bulls final next week. :whistling:

  7. avatar Morné says:
    October 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm

    Reply to Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas @ 2:32 pm:

    I have seen enough of Brache to know his hands are shit.

    WP will struggle at scrums and line outs against the Lions, you lose that, you lose the game.

  8. avatar out wide says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 12:30 am

    Got to admire the spin coaches put on things. I suppose that’s part of their job description to play mind games with the players they manage and supporters and the media.

    On the one hand we have the Bulls coach talking up his team’s chances against a side 3 above his at their home ground because they have an unchanged team from the one that beat a weakened Lions team and therefore have “momentum”.

    Meanwhile the Stormers are forced to make 3 injury-enforced changes and instead of bemoaning the loss of “momentum” their coach talks up the replacements because they are familiar with the systems and “always play well when given the chance”. Well done Alistair, no use going to Jo’burg with a loser attitude. Good luck boys you are going to need to play out of your skins against a strengthened Lions side.

  9. avatar Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 4:22 am

    Jeans out so maybe Province will now actually score tries.

    How long do they continue with the fakers coaching staff for faling again?????

  10. avatar Craven says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 7:40 am

    Reply to Morné @ 3:12 pm:

    Why on earth will WP struggle in the lineouts against the Lions? When did the Lions become the fearsome lineout unit. I am scared of the Bulls if we have to play them, for sure.

    But the fearsome Lions lineout and scrum helped them sweet, blue f-all when they got rolled by Griquas. They also seemed to rule the scrums and lineout in that game. How on earth did they manage to lose it? Blanket statements for the lose. :mrgreen:

  11. avatar Morné says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 8:31 am

    Reply to Craven @ 7:40 am:

    Lions have a solid line out, never said they were spectacular. Without Bekker and Tiaan, WP is in shit – have you seen Scarra’s throwing?

  12. avatar Craven says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    I seem to recall Etsebeth effecting more steals for the Boks at lineout time than Bekker?

    Agreed on Scarra’s throwing though.

  13. avatar Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 8:31 am: Lineouts is combination of timeming with locks, I do not see WP or Bokke using Bekker more than Vermeulen and Etsebeth.

    You just being negative

  14. avatar Morné says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Reply to Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas @ 1:00 pm:

    SCARRA’s THROWING is kak. Can’t repeat it any other way for you.

  15. avatar Vetgesmeerde Blits says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    Reply to Craven @ 10:51 am: Reply to Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas @ 1:00 pm:
    There is one thing you guys seem to forget. Bekker organizes and calls the lineouts for the Boks and the WP/Stormers. That makes him hugely valuable at lineout time. To compare his lineout contribution to that of Vermeulen is laughable.

    And then of course Scarra’s throwing is a huge concern. He seems to fall apart if the first few lineouts doesn’t go his way. I hope he can pull it of on Saturday.

    Another thing, Brache is a good player, but he is no De Villiers. De Villiers, even past his best, is still WP’s best 12 by far. Only De Jong comes close to him as a 12. I think De Villiers has been criticised unfairly this season. He doesn’t chose the gameplan, and has done a good job this season.

  16. avatar Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 4:07 pm

    Reply to Vetgesmeerde Blits @ 1:55 pm: So How did the stormers then get lineouts won without Bekker for half the supershit series.

    I think you guys are just in a groove now after the HM isseus to complain and take thing far out of what it really is.

    Yes De Kock is not Bekker but it is not the end of the world for Wp and yes Scarra is not Liebenberg but that as well is not the end of the world for WP, youngsters can proof themself this weekend Scarra is a great prospect and faults he will have same with Brache but it is all workeble faults and people are just making every thing a moerse problem, FS man rugby is still a sport and who comes on top will win the FC game

  17. avatar KingPaul says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 1:31 pm: Hoekom laat hulle nie vir Fourie ingooi by lynstane nie?

  18. avatar Vetgesmeerde Blits says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 5:04 pm

    Reply to Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas @ 4:07 pm:
    That is very rich coming from the man who was so happy Jean is not in the team that he couldn’t resist throwing in a Mexican wave emoticon. Looks like you are in the “bash any player older than 25″ groove.

    And in the previous post regarding Liebenberg and Bekker’s injuries you said “None will be missed”. What a load of bull. Either you know very little about rugby, or you are tired of the old guard, and want to see the young guns given a go. I have a feeling it is the latter.
    Scarra and Brache and Steenkamp can become great players for the WP, but Bekker, Liebenberg an De Villiers will make this team at least 20% better imo.

    I dont think anybody is overreacting here, I have nothing against Scarra and Brache as players for the future, but this season especially Scarra’s performances hasn’t been good enough. He is great in the loose, but if you can’t feed a lineout properly, you will be a liability at hooker, especially in a tight semi final.

    But I still think WP has a 50/50 change of winning. Lets hope they shut me up!

  19. avatar Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Reply to Vetgesmeerde Blits @ 5:04 pm: Don’yt know where your wave come from by saying they will not be missed???????

    Nope Jean is kak and he does not deserve a Bok spot myabe a WP spot but for me I would rather give the young talent change to develope rather than to stick with someone who gonna give you nothing more than he showed throughout the year.

    WP showed without the boks they played the rugby I was used many years ago. We are losing young talent every season because they do not get change to proof themself for more than just when guys like Jean gets injured.

    That is why I said we lose nothing with him not being their and that we have two young players that can play that kind of game, look at my post.

    What pissed me off from Jean was what he said in the media last week whe he was ask how do they feel to play straight after comming back from the boks and:

    “Springbok captain Jean de Villiers, who will lead the WP team against the Cheetahs, left little doubt that there was concern among the players at the situation that has arisen by pointedly not talking up the excitement of playing Currie Cup rugby when he was asked how he felt about having to play.

    “To be honest I don’t think it is really relevant what the players feel. I think those are the decisions that the administrators make and we are contracted to the union and in some instances SA Rugby and when you are needed to play for some of those teams you just have to get on with it,” said De Villiers.

    “You can’t go to your job tomorrow and say you don’t want to work. And it is the same with us. We all have our views and some players feel differently, some guys are in a different state in terms of where their bodies are at in comparison to others.

    “But as long as the decision lies with the unions we don’t have any say and we don’t have any say in what we think and feel, we just have to get on with it.”

    I for one would be in seven heaven to try and win the first CC in 10 odd years. So if Boks feel CC is degraded for them let the youngsters who took the team to that posistion play then.

    Was always a Jean fan but I am sorry his leadership for the BOks and his play and his comments like an ANC Minister does not take me anymore. I am a fedup WP supporter and we all know that their ois more than just rugby(clicks and politics) at fault in the union.

    WP/Stormers needs to move forward now and get into the right frame to be be able to win a Supershit or CC series. Comming close just does not cut it anymore.

    I feel sick in my gut to see how supporters are not comming to Newlands anymore. That stadium was always full does not matter what game, supporters get fedup and I am one of them.

  20. avatar Morné says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 6:13 pm

    Reply to Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas @ 6:01 pm:

    Here’s a fact if you have not figured it out yet.

    The CC is degraded.

    Here’s another fact.

    Players are overplayed, injuries to Jean and Bekker proves this.

    Another one on supporters.

    They stay at home and watch on TV because the games are played at shit times. And yet again, there is too much rugby. While stadium figures are down, TV viewership numbers are up.

    One last fact.

    The setup in SA rugby is fucked. As Jean said, unions have the final say, unions gets placed before Bok rugby in this country. It should never be the case.

    On the game and this team right now.

    WP has just lost 3 Springboks, and not just in any position – positions key to first phase ball in the forwards, and their playmaker in the backline which is not only Springbok captain, but Stormers and WP captain.

    In the run-up to the semi’s WP with their ‘youngsters’ lost to the Sharks, the Bulls, and the Lions (the 3 other teams in the semi’s).

    What has been stated above about the players lost, and those who replaced them, is not emotional rants, it is logic.

    Before these injuries I would have given WP an easy 70% chance of victory at Ellis this weekend, right now – less than 50%.

  21. avatar Boertjie says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 8:31 pm

    Reply to KingPaul @ 4:25 pm:


    Reply to Vetgesmeerde Blits @ 5:04 pm:


  22. avatar Vetgesmeerde Blits says:
    October 19th, 2012 at 6:27 am

    Reply to Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas @ 6:01 pm:
    Read my comment again, I am talking about the wave in your first comment regarding Jean not playing. I found it strange that a WP supporter would be happy when their captain gets injured.

    And especially De Villiers who has been so loyal and commited to WP for more than a decade.

  23. avatar Jacques(Bunny)Morne Steyn is Baas says:
    October 19th, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    Reply to Vetgesmeerde Blits @ 6:27 am: WP Supporters did not choose him to be captain, I(I)(I) don’t like him nor do I rate him anymore if you do, good for you my friend.

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