Ireland 12, Springboks 16

November 10, 2012
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Viewed by many of the toughest of the Springbok fixtures this November, they take on Ireland at the Aviva stadium.

Late team change:

CJ van der Linde, capped 73 times for the Springboks, will start at loosehead prop against Ireland in Dublin on Saturday following the late withdrawal of Tendai Mtawarira from the Test.

Heinke van der Merwe, who has played in one Test for the Springboks in 2007, will take Van der Linde’s place on the bench.

The decision to withdraw Mtawarira is a precautionary measure after he had a recurrence of mild heart palpitations on Saturday morning.

Mtawarira has been admitted to hospital for observation on Saturday morning. A decision on his continued participation on the tour will be taken at a later stage.

Recent results:
2010: South Africa won 23-21, Dublin
2009: Ireland won 15-10, Dublin
2006: Ireland won 32-15, Dublin
2004: Ireland won 17-12, Dublin
2004: South Africa won 26-17, Newlands
2004: South Africa won 31-17, Bloemfontein

Teams

Ireland: 15 Simon Zebo, 14 Tommy Bowe, 13 Keith Earls, 12 Gordon D’Arcy, 11 Andrew Trimble, 10 Jonathan Sexton, 9 Conor Murray, 8 Jamie Heaslip (captain), 7 Chris Henry, 6 Peter O’Mahony, 5 Mike McCarthy, 4 Donnacha Ryan, 3 Mike Ross, 2 Richardt Strauss, 1 Cian Healy.
Replacements: 16 Sean Cronin, 17 David Kilcoyne, 18 Michael Bent, 19 Donncha O’Callaghan, 20 Iain Henderson, 21 Eoin Reddan, 22 Ronan O’Gara, 23 Fergus McFadden

South Africa: 15  Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 François Hougaard, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 CJ van der Linde
Replacements: 16 Schalk Brits, 17 Heinke van der Merwe , 18 Pat Cilliers, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Marcell Coetzee, 21 Morné Steyn, 22 Juan de Jongh, 23 Lwazi Mvovo.

Date: Saturday, 10 November 2012
Kick-off: 17.30 (17.30 GMT)
Venue: Aviva Stadium, Dublin
Expected weather: Partly cloudy with a high of 9°C, dropping to 2°C.
Referee: Wayne Barnes (England)
Assistant referees: Steve Walsh (Australia), Luke Pierce (England)
TMO: Giulio De Santis (Italy)

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39 Comments

  1. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 10th, 2012 at 8:11 pm

    12 fkn3
    What a joke

  2. avatar biltongbek says:
    November 10th, 2012 at 8:22 pm

    Dit was nou kak

  3. avatar Bekke says:
    November 10th, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    Come on, where are all the Meyer supporters? Brilliant stampkar rugby – great game from worldclass Hougaard and goose-step Kirchner. And Taute is useless. And Jean should just fokoff. Apart from Etsebeth, nothing happening. Hak Hak Meyer is k@k!!!!!

  4. avatar Bekke says:
    November 10th, 2012 at 9:10 pm

    The only Bok playing (Etsebeth) taken off – replaced by a Bull….

  5. avatar Bekke says:
    November 10th, 2012 at 9:36 pm

    Wanna see running rugby? Watch a group of no-name England players with a no-name coach demolish Fidji. Or the currie cup final a few weeks ago (where no Jean, Kirchner, Hougaard, Taute played).

  6. avatar Timeo says:
    November 10th, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Reply to Bekke @ 8:24 pm:

    Dear Mr. Bekke,

    I was hoping you would have figured out by now that the tone and the content of your posts do not really fit this blog.

    Since it seems not to be, I’ll be more direct.

    Please try to put a little thought and intelligence into your posts. Try to make your posts as to enrich the discourse and not drag it down. You may be pleasantly surprised by what you’ll get from it.

    :-)

  7. avatar Bekke says:
    November 10th, 2012 at 10:04 pm

    Dear Ms Timeo,
    Netball is on SANC2

  8. avatar Welshbok die Brandwag says:
    November 10th, 2012 at 10:23 pm

    Bekke

    You are an arsehole of note.

    Everytime you open your mouth, some fool speaks.

    I agree with Timeo, your posts are kind of irritating, much like this mozzie that keeps on buzzing around in the tent on a hot sultry camping summers night.

    Lee pyp, maak toe jou kraan, dalk sien die ander jou dan vir ‘n volle aan.

  9. avatar Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 12:03 am

    Leave Bekke alone as that was really poor. Cant blame many a bok supporter crying in their dops today.
    Jean Div is still for me the kink in the backline. 13 maybe but those forward passes every match are inexcusable.

    The guys look a little off in the first half and were back in it with a lot of courage. They kept it simple and showed character to pulled it off especially the yellow.

    They might not have played good rugby like the previous coaches but the difference is they adapted and changed a few things to win.

    So before we drill Bekke too much we need to see what the yard stick is with the rest of the games and scores.

    Who do we play next?

  10. avatar Bekke says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Scotland – surely it will be an easier game?

  11. avatar Welshbok die Brandwag says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 2:10 am

    Reply to Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa @ 12:03 am:

    Thats exactly why Bekke should rather be less opinionated, they came back from behind and showed huge courage for the win. To simply say that hak hak, Heyneke is kak is in fact confirming what Mallet stated, an uninformed stupid supporter.

    JdV made a stupid forward pass, so what, Etz lost the ball in contact, and JPP got yellowed. They all made a few errors, even Lambie who kicked a few too deep. Maar de Villiers and coach Meyer is KAK. :whatever:

    Apart from one forward pass, his (JdV) game really wasn’t bad, he also showed some great captaincy and decision making with a huge defensive effort which seems to have gone unnoticed.

    What Bekke doesn’t seem to understand is that when the try is on, then they do shift it wide like they did against Aus @ Loftus, but tonight it would have been suicide. JdV had some good carries on attack , going over the gainline every time.

    What people don’t seem to realise is that bok wins in Ireland have been pretty rare in the last 10 years. They are a hard team to beat in Ireland, it wasn’t pretty, but it was bloody good.

    This was arguably their toughest game of the tour, and they won it without many of their best players, including Beast who withdrew this morning FFS!.

    Imagine what we would have been with:

    Bismark
    Beast
    Coenie Oosthuizen
    Bekker
    Schalk
    Juan Smith
    Fourie du Preez
    Francois Steyn
    Jaques Fourie
    Bryan Habana

    in stead of pelting the coach out of principle, try and step back and see what the man achieved given what he had to play with, and try and have a little more understanding and loyalty to our boks.

  12. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 3:50 am

    Shocker first half… the same break-down deficiencies on attack and defensive ball rearing their ugly head again (well they have never disappeared since the 1/4 final exit… but… then 22 men came back onto the field having addressed this (somewhat) and the rest is consigned to the history books…

    Expect one or two experiments with personnel against Scotland…

    Backline play is still to bash-it-up no matter who plays at 10/12… saying that for all Irelands fancy backline moves which looked great… how many tries did they score?

    Ruan Pienaar was superb…

  13. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 10:42 am

    It was pathetic.
    No need for fancy diction.
    I haven’t seen such directionless incompetence
    Since straueli.
    Any more of this shit and ill be looking
    To burn the springbok jersey in public

  14. avatar Craven says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 12:50 pm

    Kudos to the boys in green and gold for the character they showed in coming back and winning the game, very well done.

    To Ruan for his play yesterday, brilliant. One of your best games in a Bok jersey.

    Eben is going from strength to strength in the lineouts. I might start sounding like a stuck record, but I think his future should be in the number 5 jersey for WP and Stormers. With someone like Quin Roux (if he returns) at 4 that second row will be awesome.

    Negatives? Sure, the first half was not good.

    It is a bit worrying that ten games into Meyer’s tenure, the best rugby we have seen was a 40 minute cameo against England right at the start. We keep hearing they have a lot of work to do, but I would like to actually see improvement on a more regular basis.

    Come on Heyneke, make it so.

  15. avatar Craven says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Also, is it just my perception or was our vice-captain doing most of the talking on the field, to Bok players and the ref?

  16. avatar biltongbek says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 2:16 pm

    Reply to Craven @ 1:22 pm: Strauss led the pack very well yes.

  17. avatar Boertjie says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    Reply to Welshbok die Brandwag @ 2:10 am:

    Agree with all you say.

    Still the art of offloads – superbly
    illustrated by the Pumas – seems to
    still be lightyears away from the
    Boks makeup.

    Since it’s only Scotland, I wonder if
    HM will be thinking on the lines of
    Heinke at LH, Taute 15, De Jongh 13/12,
    Starting with Coetzee and sub him with
    Alberts as impact player.

    How safe is Lambie at 10?

  18. avatar DavidS says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 3:57 pm

    @ Bekke

    My guy there are more than one posters who have taken umbrage at your tone.

    Without getting involved in the rugby I’m going to caution you to take it easy.

    Some of the guys you’re having a go at are long time posters with a proven track record of intelligent insightful contributions. This is not another rugby site where we tolerate that kind of puerility.

    So here is nice ask.

    Take it easy.

  19. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 5:45 pm

    Oom D , that was very mature of you!
    I’m impressed.
    That’s the reason this is The rugby site
    For us.

  20. avatar Timeo says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 9:16 pm

    Reply to Bekke @ 10:04 pm:

    I don’t mind you having a go at the coach or being provocative. It’s all part of the fun here. What I’m asking is that you insert a little more intelligence. Add a little value by lifting your posts above idiot level. I’m sure you can.

    Or is “Hak-Hak” really the best you can do?

  21. avatar Boertjie says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    Reply to Duiwel @ 5:45 pm:

    Ek dink sy vrou het dit vir hom geskryf.
    :jester:

  22. avatar Bekke says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    Just because I see through some one-eyed support of a specific coach or specific players, or because I just cannot tolerate the same crap dished out by a coach lauded as the Messiah of SA rugby (poor selection, poor gameplan, no apparent improvement of certain deficiencies, same jargon week after week) – suddenly I am the best topic to write about? Sorry if I do not just follow the dribble of “always difficult to win in Dublin”, “we are on the right track”, “we will work hard”, “there are no easy games”, blah blah blah…
    Strange how we (who have repeatedly said how crap M Steyn was) were vindicated when even his mentor relegated him to the bench – did not see his bind supporters make any remarks on that yet?? And suddenly me saying Zane goose-step is crap is a surprise? Or that Hougaard (again, repeatedly) does not belong in the current team, is now seen as unintelligent?
    When the same bigots gave Pivvy some names, I guess they were heralded as Illuminati?
    Hak hak…

  23. avatar Americano says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 2:05 am

    I think there may be more to HM’s passing over of the Messerschmitt than appears to the eye.
    I’ll have to skim through the book of Revelation to be sure – but seems to me many would see that man LeRoux and Brits on the field at the same time in SB colors as a sign of the Apocalypse. :D

    Can’t wait to see the game. Dour teams lose games when they play sub-par and fail to right the ship. So the bones af a good team are definitely there it seems. I look forward to seeing how they pulled it out 2nd half.

    DavidS – I’m looking up puerility – not so much to use it in conversation (don’t think I’ve ever heard it and most folks would probably think I’m using a fancy word to refer to gastronomic distress) but to exploit in….Scrabble. Thanks for that :-)

  24. avatar Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 5:14 am

    The biggest positive from the game is the Boks changed and adapted far quicker than previous eras, so well done.

    Struass showed the importance of having a captain closer to the play instead of out in the backline. He was in the refs ear and got some deserved penalties by beeing a miggie in the refs ear. Same with Jannie, he gove the ref so much stick/pressure.

    We played a more varietiy of game plan but we still suffer from going to ground to set up the next play instead of quick pop passes.

    I have always been a JDV fan and even defended him when guys said he was too slow. Too slow never, but I think he is part of the problem for the lack of tries for the Stomers/ Province and the Boks. 13 yes 12 no.
    I would have had Taute at 12 or 15.

    Looking at what NZ did to Scotland we are still way off the number 1 spot and some of the gripes could be justified about the 1 dimensional play.

    Kudos to the boys not getting involved with the punching.

    And so is the fetcher dead or reborn??

  25. avatar DavidS says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    Reply to Duiwel @ 5:45 pm:

    Thanks D… hoe gaan dit met Ben en kids?

  26. avatar DavidS says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Reply to Boertjie @ 9:58 pm:

    UItgevang… jy weet mos dis nie OOsrand manier nie…

    Hier is dit

    Izzit p03$… Kom sê dit in my gesig dan check ons hoe lyk jy…

    :Rule 9:
    :applause: :D

  27. avatar DavidS says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:45 am

    Reply to Bekke @ 11:03 pm:

    Aside from the last two words this is 100% good contribution.

    My issue is not hat Heyneke was heralded as a Messiah but received very cautiously.

    Div was never given a chance for obvious reasons… at the time of his appointment he was selected based solely on his race over more deserving candidates… in particular Heyneke Meyer… whom the President of SARU overlooked despite Heyneke having full PC support and being the top recommended candidate of the interview panel…

    Consider fo0r instance that although PDiv never lost in Dublin it is a place where Jake White’s Boks never won and similarly the Aussies have failed repeatedly and the 5N teams hate to visit.

    Nobody said Morne Steyn was not playing poorly. What was said is that he is being played into the ground. Also recollect that at the time of his selection as Bok far away back in June before the end of SR, the Bulls were in a play off spot for a home play off, Morne Steyn was also the leading point scorer of SR, so in that respect your comments about him being “crap” were statistically drivel. As the season progressed however I must agree that he did fall out of form. Instead of complaining you should see it as a credit to the national coach that he first stuck loyally to his player (in contrast to what Straueli would have done and exactly like White and De Viliers would have done) and only dropped him once it became clear he was not going to “bounce back” (like Jaco Van Der Westhuizen was dropped by Jake White)… and then selected Johan Goosen, Elton Jantjes and Pat Lambie showing his willingness to experiment and tinker with his side to see where his best combination lies.

    Those are just a few examples.

    You are spinning your own perceptions into a supposed reality that does not exist.

  28. avatar DavidS says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:46 am

    Reply to Americano @ 2:05 am:

    ROFLMAO…

  29. avatar DavidS says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:47 am

    Reply to Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa @ 5:14 am:

    NIce Kev

  30. avatar biltongbek says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:06 am

    My biggest concern s our lack of support play. NZ once again showed yesterday that no team is on par with the way they run supporting lines and are always with the ball carrier to clean or clear the ruck ball.

    They seem to have a simple philosophy whic I can’t understand why other teams don’t follow it, when a ball carrier is on the run, he will always (well close to 100%) have a support runner and soetimes one on each shoulder.

    If the ball carrier sees a player in space he doesn’t put his head down and go to ground, he passes or offloads to the player in a better position.

    If he does get taken to ground the first two players at the ruck, immediately protect the ball, either by clearing opposition defenders or standing prone over the ball, the half back is there to clear instantaniously.

    On defence, the same princple applies, they first attmept to clear opposition players whilst watching to see whether there is an opportunity to pounce on the ball.

    Why do no other teams have this effeciency?

    It isn’t rocket science, it is simply good game management.

    Another thing they do is make good decisions, if a player is isolated he doesn’t try to go into contact, he tries to get the ball out to a player once again in a better position.

    Lastly, what is quite noticable is the way Carter and Co, in the midfield, don’t always attack the line at full pace, it allows them to drift and assess the oppoosition infront of them, a quick eccalaration and they hit the gap.

    De Villiers as an example go full tilt every time, which reduces his chances of stepping or flummoxing the defence, as they know he is intent on hitting the line at pace.

    It is little subtle things they do that has less to do with skill but more to do with intelligent play.

    I think of it as paying attention to detail.

  31. avatar Jacques(Bunny)WP Jong Bloed says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Reply to DavidS @ 3:57 pm: Yip sometimes some comments let me feel I read the sgit that bloggers dish out on News24.

  32. avatar Craven says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Reply to biltongbek @ 8:06 am:

    Some good observations there.

    I do get frustrated with our forwards running at first receiver (single runners mind you). It is so easy to defend against these guys as they always seem to run into the traffic and not space. It also seems our first instinct is to take the ball to ground and set up another phase.

    I sincerely hope this is not coached?!

  33. avatar Boertjie says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 12:35 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 8:06 am:

    I don’t think there is a more to the point
    analysis than yours.
    It was obvious how the Boks struggled for
    continuity – because a lack of support
    runners.
    Etzebeth is great. He’s played 8 tests. He
    has never passed or offloaded a ball.
    Ditto for most of the other forwards, and
    even backs.

  34. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 8:06 am:

    Yep I couldn’t agree more… it’s the lack of support players from 1-22 that lead players getting isolated, no room for off-loading, no hitting the rucks with numbers and in quick succession and slow recycle ball and general attack/defensive break-down woes…

  35. avatar biltongbek says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 1:41 pm

    The sad thing is the fact that there is no intent on looking for those support runners.

    Yu consider young Etzebeth, his whole body positioning shows exaclty what will happen, he will hit traffic, get slowed down, they will try to hold him up and turn over ball.

    The fact is no matter how strong you are, you cannot eat an armwrestle at close quarters against three defenders.

    Etzebeth, Alberts etc, all will be so much more effective one on one.

    But it just doesn’t happen, the forward pod is too predictable.

  36. avatar Timeo says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 1:41 pm:

    The pod itself is predictable but where it has worked in the past is when FdP was able with his pass to select either the pod or the guys standing off the pod and the quality of the pass was such that the defence could not predict where it would go until it was there already.

    The weakness this year has been with the scrum-halfs.

  37. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 13th, 2012 at 12:23 am

    OomD alles lekka diekant
    Klink rof in natal.
    Werkloosheid.

    HM is on a slippery slope.
    You have to win both
    Or heads will roll
    And justly so
    It’s a win orientated job

  38. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 13th, 2012 at 12:25 am

    Timeo,I’d agree with that
    We are short a good 9

  39. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 13th, 2012 at 12:27 am

    Our basics,offloading in tackle,handling,
    Running into space at speed is all
    Way below theAB

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