England make loads of changes for Boks

November 22, 2012
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Wasps lock Joe Launchbury is set to make his first Test start after England coach Stuart Lancaster made six changes to the side for Saturday’s Test against South Africa at Twickenham.

Sport24

Kick-off is at 16:30 SA time.

The 21-year-old Launchbury replaced club-mate Tom Palmer in a starting side announced by Lancaster on Thursday that was much altered from the one beaten 20-14 by Australia at Twickenham last weekend.

No 8 Ben Morgan, blindside flank Tom Wood and loosehead prop Alex Corbisiero all make their first starts of the European autumn series, with Wood in the XV for the first time since last year’s Rugby World Cup following a toe injury.

In the backs, Mike Brown, the Harlequins fullback, starts on the left wing with England using two fullbacks – Alex Goode is at No 15 – in a bid to counter the Springboks’ expected aerial threat.

Meanwhile Ben Youngs is preferred to Danny Care at scrumhalf.

England will be looking for their first win over a major southern hemisphere nation under Lancaster having lost twice and drawn once in a three-Test series away to South Africa in June before last week’s Wallaby reverse.

Springboks coach Heyneke Meyer named on Wednesday a starting XV unchanged from the one that beat Scotland 21-10 at Murrayfield last weekend.

Lancaster’s men conclude their European autumn campaign against world champions New Zealand at Twickenham on December 1.

Teams:

England:

15 Alex Goode, 14 Chris Ashton, 13 Manusamoa Tuilagi, 12 Brad Barritt, 11 Mike Brown, 10 Toby Flood, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Ben Morgan, 7 Chris Robshaw (captain), 6 Tom Wood , 5 Geoff Parling, 4 Joe Launchbury, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Tom Youngs, 1 Alex Corbisiero

Substitutes: 16 David Paice, 17 David Wilson, 18 Mako Vunipola, 19 Mouritz Botha, 20 James Haskell , 21 Danny Care, 22 Owen Farrell, 23 Jonathan Joseph

South Africa:

15 Zane Kirchner, 14 JP Pietersen, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Francois Hougaard, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Gurthrö Steenkamp

Substitutes: 16. Schalk Brits, 17 Heinke van der Merwe, 18 Pat Cilliers, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Marcell Coetzee, 21 Elton Jantjies, 22 Jaco Taute, 23 Lwazi Mvovo

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43 Comments

  1. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 2:11 pm

    my heart is with the Bokke but my money is on the poms :?

  2. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    I won’t watch.
    I won’t buy anything with a
    Springbok emblem.
    I won’t support them in any form
    or way until they start playing
    like Springbokke.
    That means skillfull,passionate and
    Professional .
    And if they don’t
    Ill forget them and my sons
    will only support France.

    To watch dumb blocks of meat
    fuck about trying to imitate Springboks
    for more than a decade
    is enough.

  3. avatar Boertjie says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Reply to Duiwel @ 3:04 pm:

    To watch dumb blocks of meat
    fuck about
    ———
    :muahaha:

    Ou Suurgat! Ek gee hulle nog
    ‘n jaar lank kans met HM.

  4. avatar Aldo says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    Jissie oom duiwel, maar vir n toppie is jy darem ongeduldig. Heyneke werk met n plan, onthou dit het hom 2 seisoene gevat om sukses by die bulle te kry. Hy het nie nou 2 seisoene nie, maar hy werk agter die skerms hard. Al hoekom hulle so konserwatief speel, is oor hy weet, verloor hy baie, verloor hy sy werk, so gee hom kans.

  5. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 8:32 pm

    Reply to Duiwel @ 3:04 pm:

    I have been a fan of Wales, Ireland, Oz and France for the past 5 years. Whomever looks like they want to play rugby.

    Even my son asks “pappa when is bokke day again?” – referring to the Saturday when you wear the Bok regalia – Bok day has been put on hold for a rather long time.

    I still ‘support’ the boks as they represent my country but my kid wont love the sport if I were to force the Boks on him right now.

  6. avatar Morné says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 9:44 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 8:32 pm:

    I actually always wanted to ask you this.

    As an artist, or rather, entertainer, what makes you decide ‘how’ you are going to entertain?

    I know your work, I have listened to it, I love it, but you know as well as I do it does not cater for the ‘mass market’ of the Steve Hofmeyer, Kurt Darren, Snotkop type crowd out there who wants ‘entertainment’, or that cheap ass sokkie-jol brain-dead kak.

    So my first question would be do you make music to ‘entertain’ the masses, or do you make it because it is special to you? Knowing it might not sell millions of copies, but those poor old fucks (like me) who enjoy decent music will love it and appreciate it.

    My second question is quite simple.

    To create anything beautiful in life takes time, and as an artist, I think you would appreciate this journey I am referring to.

    I am also sure many shot you down in the first month, 2 months, 3 months, 3 years you went on this journey yourself to create something special. Something you believe will work, does work, and will succeed.

    Rugby is no different bud. If you try and look how many raw, natural players Meyer introduced just in this year, his first, you might get a damn good idea of the journey he is on, or wants to take.

    This change to something spectacular will never happen overnight, there is not one great song that just happens, it is a process, and while you are busy with this, there are many up’s and down’s, many mistakes, many what-if’s and many if-only’s.

    Those who make it, stick it through, they tell those who doubt them (silently) to fuck off.

    And that’s about all I have to say about this for now.

  7. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 11:52 pm

    Reply to Morné @ 9:44 pm:

    I dont know if its a fair comparison. Things take time yes but the process of writing a good song and the reasons for doing so do not relate much to coaching a rugby team and being paid a shit load to do so.

    If I coach the under 9′s for the love of it, knowing the reward is small, then yes maybe compare me to an indie artist who does it for the love of it.

    But HM is paid great money to get it right. His team gets to use the best players in the land and are the best resourced. As a result the expectations are much higher. Lady gaga cannot with a writing and productions team in the hundreds push out an indie number with a slight mistake on one chord and a slightly off-tone note here and there.

    Meyer has been a huge disappointment on a great many fronts. yes he has brought in some players – forced mainly by the absence of the old brigade. Has he made these youngsters perform better than they did prior to entering the bok camp?

    I doubt it.

  8. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 am

    Reply to Duiwel @ 3:04 pm: when did you become emo?
    Cry me a river “the boks don’t want to play”… They are number 2 in the world and going into a huge war this weekend.

    Fair-weathered fans need not apply…

  9. avatar Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 am

    This is going to be a cracker. The Eeenglish are my enemy and will not miss this game like the Scotland game. I do get out of control and tend to smash things when the boks play the Poms.

    HM knows we will struggle to match the physicality hence he is going for Lambie attacking the gain line.

    I have been very impressed with AStruass’s leadership and how well he has been playing the ref. To think that some of the more knowledgable(the ones that like to tell you are wrong)bloggers on this site reckoned he was CC quality at best. Yep whatever.

    Reply to Morné @ 9:44 pm: good question.

  10. avatar biltongbek says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 7:03 am

    Reply to Morné @ 9:44 pm: Beautifully put Morne.

    I think when looking at Meyer this year (and yes I have criticised him this year) is that he was implementing phase one. Phase on was get a forward pack that will compete with the best in the world. And in my opinion he has done that, he has experiemtned in the forwards with just about everyone (Greyling and Werner Kruger included :bangheadt: ) and his dog.

    Now next year will be phase two, establish a backline with talent.

    So I look forward to seeing evolution in attack next year.

  11. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 7:17 am

    I haven’t seen one pass
    one backline move
    one piece of skill
    or one strategy
    That sets these poepolle apart
    From Poepolpiet’a spul

    What has Hang-on Heineke done?
    Taken a great U21 side
    and do the fitter and turner?

    Fit them into”Springbokke”
    And turn them into shit?

    They don’t play rugby.
    They play bump a bok

    When he took the job
    He didn’t talk about
    Fkn excuses
    Young team,building,buzzword zzzzzzzzzzz
    The reality is he has less
    Of a clue than deviliers.
    Old Hang -On is giving the media
    Exactly the same buzzwords

    The players have no hands,
    no support play
    no off load
    Struggle to execute the most basic
    Rugby skills.
    They are a joke compared
    to the AB

    Ill go fishing instead
    and get he boys dressed in blue
    come the World Cup
    If I wanted to watch clowns
    I’d go to the circus

  12. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 7:23 am

    A forward pack to compete
    Phase one?
    Are you fkn kidding?!
    They struggle to hold the fkn ball man?
    Too dumb to pass
    Just do the Dumbo
    And fok straight into the first oppo
    And fall down
    Phew!
    At least I didn’t drop it hey
    Duh-huh
    Eks so fkn Dom
    Ek kan vir die Bokke speel

    Kak

    Get a real coach
    Get some fkn pride
    Before then
    They kan kiss my hairy African arse

  13. avatar biltongbek says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 7:50 am

    “They kan kiss my hairy African arse”

    Geez, now I have to slaughter a pig, to get rid of that image. :tpuke:

  14. avatar Morné says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:16 am

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 11:52 pm:

    Don’t bring the money angle in on this. You could easily do something else in your life that will make you a shit lot more money but it is not your passion.

    No coach, or any person involved in rugby or rugby management, do what they do to lose. I would go as far as to say no person involved in that aspect of rugby does not have a passion for the game either – you have to, or it will swallow you up in an instant.

    You doubt Meyer’s ability, reasoning and/or decisions same as people doubted you in your trade. Only he can step up and prove you and many others wrong.

    My point is, it will take time, afford the man at least that, even if only one more season with this team.

  15. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Reply to Morné @ 9:16 am:

    I have no other choice really but to follow the development of a man who had so much potential to start with.

    His choice of squad and players for the UK tour was telling though.

    I think you are going to be disappointed if you see year one as some sort of a step 1 foundation year with year 2 heralding a magic ‘backline’ year.

    My hope is he is forced to pick other players, who like Louw forces him to think differently about the game. His own ideas seem old and misplaced.

  16. avatar Morné says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 9:27 am:

    Those were not my words, I don’t believe in magic, I believe in progression.

    Giving him the 2013 season is in no way feeling sorry for him – it is in my opinion a fair length of time to judge a coach at this level.

    Personally, Meyer will prove in 2013 if he is a coach with the aptitude to coach at national level. Some of the best coaching minds are not because they cannot deal with the pressure and environment. Think Deans as an example.

    I think Meyer is a great coach, the only thing he needs to ‘prove’ is if he has the aptitude to be a great coach at test level.

  17. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:33 am

    Reply to Morné @ 9:16 am:

    and my point RE money is not that HM does not have a dream and a passion for the game and the Boks.

    My point is that he is paid too much to have many an excuse.

  18. avatar DavidS says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 9:33 am: Do you honestly believe this tripe?

    and my point RE money is not that HM does not have a dream and a passion for the game and the Boks.

    Have you not watched this guy in the coach box during games?

    Have you ever sat down and talked to him over a meal or cup of coffee and heard him talk about rugby, about where he comes from, how he regards individual players, how he plans games.

    I have

    If you honestly honestly believe that absolute unadulterated KAK, then your son is right… the Bokke are better off with you supporting Ireland or something

  19. avatar biltongbek says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 11:27 am: David, did you not promise me a sitting at a table with HM?

  20. avatar DavidS says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 5:42 pm

    Did I?

    Let’s see when next season kicks off okay… sure we can arrange something.

  21. avatar biltongbek says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 7:07 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 5:42 pm: Thanks, that will be great.

  22. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Mediocrity is the norm

  23. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:00 pm

    We don’t have to be able to
    Pass
    Catch
    Offload
    Support
    Run into space
    Kick accurately
    Or any of that bollocks
    We drop the ball
    Fail to get it back
    Knock it forward
    Kick it aimlessly away
    Lose it in the tackle
    Or following turnover.
    And generally play like its
    rugby league
    Only dumber.
    We are now relieved to win against
    Scotland
    Wales
    Samoa
    We are all preening with pride
    if we beat England and Ireland
    Never mind the frogs
    And consider it a great side
    If we beat aus and god forbid
    New Zealand
    Then we sommer have another
    Nagmaal

    Our coaches are challenged
    to find new buzzwords for losing.
    They are so blasé about it they
    use each others material.
    They prove springbok rugby
    about as much as a third tit.
    They have the good fortune
    To ride the Train to its financial end.

    Out players primadonna about
    Talking more real rugby
    than ever playing it.

    And you not only want me to pay for it
    but I must admire it .

    Fck that
    I’m going to football with my boy.

    The tragedy is that even after England
    has given them a P@@@klap
    well be expected to buy
    the ensuing buzzword bullshit.

    The national coach
    wants us to play dumb
    Like his team

  24. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm

    http://www.rugbydata.com/southafrica

  25. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:13 pm

    http://www.rugbydata.com/southafrica/teamsplayed

  26. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    http://stats.espnscrum.com/statsguru/rugby/stats/analysis.html?search=South+Africa+;template=analysis

  27. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:27 pm

    the All Blacks break a tackle more often than they kick a ball on average in 2012 – shows just how difficult it is to play them.

  28. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    the All Blacks make on average 9.4 offloads a game

  29. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:31 pm

    An interesting stat surrounding the kicks is that the Springboks have yet to reclaim a kickoff this year, signaling they see a restart as a simple formality and bang it deep and try and pin the opposition down in their own 22. The All Blacks on the other hand are more varied, and have reclaimed 16.7% of their restarts

  30. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    t the All Blacks break a tackle every 43 seconds -

  31. avatar Boertjie says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Reply to Duiwel @ 11:29 pm:

    Oil on your fire:

    The Boks have made ONE in two tests.
    Don’t hold your breath for today.

    :jester:

  32. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:35 pm

    t the All Blacks break a tackle every 43 seconds — roughly the same time they take per tactical kick — and miss only one in every eight tackles. The Boks’ stats on defence are missing one in six.

  33. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:36 pm

    Naand Oudste!

  34. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    The bigger worry for the Boks is where they lose the ball. A massive 32% of the time they lose it in the opposition 22, hence their problems with being clinical in a game. The All Blacks, in contrast, lose the ball just 15% of the time in the oppositions 22.

  35. avatar Boertjie says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:39 pm

    Is maar kakkerig, nè.
    Maar ek gee HM ‘n jaar – net m regverdig te wees.
    Hy’s nie ‘n aap nie.

  36. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:46 pm

    Springboks kick per averag every 35 seconds

  37. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    When it comes to missing tackles the Springboks have very much improved on their 2011 missed tackle ratio. They were on averaging missing 1 out of every 3 attempts in 2011. I shit you not. In 2012 this has improved to missing 1 in 6.4 tackles attempts on average

  38. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:55 pm

    Springbok handling error average every
    3min 46 sec
    A third in oppo 22

  39. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    http://www.ruckingoodstats.com/context/file?id=3328

  40. avatar Aldo says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    Ok, so let’s say we beat England today, this has been one of the most successfull years for a Bok coach. A Bok coach that has had to deal with the loss of some of our most experienced Boks, then had to deal with a host of injuries, and rebuild a team.

    If I take just that stat, I am sorry to say but Heyneke has done a sterling job. And it nullifies all the other stats that you have mentioned Duiwel.

    Also in your stats, it shows that our defense has tightened up brilliantly. So I really dont see reason for all these complaints. Yes we were not an attacking force, but hell give the team some time to gell. We’ve had 4 different flyhalves, numerous props, so just give Heyneke a break. He’s had to deal with more than most coaches this year, and in view of his winning percentages, deserves some credit.

  41. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 2:26 pm

    Aldo,
    Bullshit mate.
    We look fkn terrible.
    We are relieved to win against
    Teams like Scotland and
    Argentinia.
    We nip against England and Ireland.
    Thank fk we tackle more cause thats
    All we do
    And we still miss one in six.
    Fact.
    We kick because our handlîg
    Is piss poor.
    Our attempts at playing rugby at pace
    Is fkn pathetic.
    What has improved?
    The fkn buzz.
    HM as coach is as big a fake
    as PdV.
    The fact that he is a blouballas,
    And Afrikaner cuts him slack with others maybe
    Not with me.
    The side he gets paid to improve
    Are laughable.
    A mere impression
    Of mallets 17 consecutive wins.
    He can’t do the job.
    Get him off the fkn pot.
    Get a real coach.
    Then start asking why we are shit
    At every other aspect of the game
    Than kicking it aimlessly.
    WE HAVE not even won one
    Ball back on a ads kop the whole year!
    That’s laughable.
    And don’t give me fkn injuries
    Newzealamd has less players
    As a whole nation
    And are making us look like
    One dimensional fkn idiots
    Regularly.
    HM is supposed to readdress our national
    rugby.
    I haven’t seen shit happen
    Only the se fkn excuses till the next World Cup.
    Wake up.

  42. avatar Duiwel says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    It’s not my stats.
    It’s international stats.
    Objective
    HM should take a look
    It’s easy to spot
    Look at the worst SH side
    It will be us
    At 90 percent of the general play.
    So lets cut the buzz word kak.
    The talk of how physical we are
    how injuries,new side ectzzzzzz
    Get the job done
    Or fk off .
    Get someone who can.
    Like mallet

  43. avatar Aldo says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

    Someone who can, like Mallet? Jees what happened when the boks got injuries with him as coach? Oh right we lost.

    Heyneke does not get cut slack because he is afriakner or anything else, look at my comments over the last few years, in support of PdV. I support the bok coach, cos he is now starting in a year where we lost a shitload of players. We need to give the bok coach time to make his mark. No one can rebuild what we’ve lost, within a year. That is as much a fact as stats. So sit back, open a cold one and watch the rugby. But jees give the guy a break.

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