SEASON 2013 PLAYER STATS

May 7, 2013
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All the leading player statistics after round 12 of this years S15…
Most Points
1. Gareth Anscombe (Chiefs) 163
2. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 148
3. Christian Lealiifano (Brumbies) 140
4. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 119
5. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes) 106
5. James O’Connor (Rebels) 106
7. Brendan McKibbin (Waratahs) 105
8. Joe Pietersen (Stormers) 104
9. Quade Cooper (Reds) 103
10. Demetri Catrakilis (Kings) 93
11. Daniel Carter (Crusaders) 70
12. Chris Noakes (Blues) 64
13. Sias Ebersohn (Force) 58
13. Tyler Bleyendaal (Crusaders) 58
15. Colin Slade (Highlanders) 55
16. Burton Francis (Cheetahs) 50
17. Johan Goosen (Cheetahs) 43
18. Henry Speight (Brumbies) 35
19. Bernard Foley (Waratahs) 34
20. Jesse Mogg (Brumbies) 31
Most Tries
1. Henry Speight (Brumbies) 7
2. Israel Folau (Waratahs) 6
2. Tim Nanai-Williams (Chiefs) 6
4. Alfie Mafi (Force) 5
4. Frank Halai (Blues) 5
4. Gareth Anscombe (Chiefs) 5
4. Jesse Mogg (Brumbies) 5
4. Raymond Rhule (Cheetahs) 5
9. Bernard Foley (Waratahs) 4
9. Cam Crawford (Waratahs) 4
9. Charles Piutau (Blues) 4
9. Gio Aplon (Stormers) 4
9. Hugh Pyle (Rebels) 4
9. Joseph Tomane (Brumbies) 4
9. Julian Savea (Hurricanes) 4
9. Kade Poki (Highlanders) 4
9. Scott Higginbotham (Rebels) 4
9. Sergeal Petersen (Kings) 4
9. TJ Perenara (Hurricanes) 4
9. Willie le Roux (Cheetahs) 4
Most Conversions
1. Gareth Anscombe (Chiefs) 30
2. James O’Connor (Rebels) 19
3. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 18
4. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes) 17
4. Christian Lealiifano (Brumbies) 17
6. Daniel Carter (Crusaders) 16
7. Brendan McKibbin (Waratahs) 15
7. Quade Cooper (Reds) 15
9. Joe Pietersen (Stormers) 13
10. Chris Noakes (Blues) 10
10. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 10
12. Demetri Catrakilis (Kings) 9
13. Johan Goosen (Cheetahs) 8
14. Burton Francis (Cheetahs) 7
14. Colin Slade (Highlanders) 7
16. Lima Sopoaga (Highlanders) 6
17. George Whitehead (Kings) 5
17. Meyer Bosman (Sharks) 5
17. Sias Ebersohn (Force) 5
20. Bernard Foley (Waratahs) 4
Most Penalty Goals
1. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 33
2. Christian Lealiifano (Brumbies) 32
2. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 32
4. Gareth Anscombe (Chiefs) 26
4. Joe Pietersen (Stormers) 26
6. Brendan McKibbin (Waratahs) 25
7. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes) 24
7. Demetri Catrakilis (Kings) 24
9. James O’Connor (Rebels) 21
9. Quade Cooper (Reds) 21
11. Tyler Bleyendaal (Crusaders) 15
12. Sias Ebersohn (Force) 14
13. Chris Noakes (Blues) 13
14. Colin Slade (Highlanders) 12
15. Burton Francis (Cheetahs) 11
15. Daniel Carter (Crusaders) 11
17. Johan Goosen (Cheetahs) 9
18. Jayden Hayward (Force) 7
19. Tom Taylor (Crusaders) 6
20. Piri Weepu (Blues) 5
Most Drop Goals
1. Sias Ebersohn (Force) 2
2. Burton Francis (Cheetahs) 1
2. Demetri Catrakilis (Kings) 1
2. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 1
2. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 1
2. Tusi Pisi (Hurricanes) 1
Most Tackles Made
1. Wimpie van der Walt (Kings) 172
2. Pieter Labuschagne (Cheetahs) 169
3. Ed Quirk (Reds) 155
4. Sam Cane (Chiefs) 146
5. Michael Hooper (Waratahs) 139
6. Liam Gill (Reds) 136
7. Phillip van der Walt (Cheetahs) 134
8. Matt Todd (Crusaders) 128
9. George Smith (Brumbies) 125
10. John Hardie (Highlanders) 124
11. Cornell du Preez (Kings) 123
11. Matthew Hodgson (Force) 123
11. Robert Ebersohn (Cheetahs) 123
14. Andries Strauss (Kings) 119
14. Luke Braid (Blues) 119
16. Brodie Retallick (Chiefs) 116
16. Jake Schatz (Reds) 116
18. Schalk Ferreira (Kings) 115
19. Kyle Godwin (Force) 114
19. Lodewyk de Jager (Cheetahs) 114
Most Runs
1. Digby Ioane (Reds) 99
1. Israel Folau (Waratahs) 99
3. Charles Piutau (Blues) 92
4. Luke Braid (Blues) 89
4. Peter Saili (Blues) 89
6. Tom Marshall (Crusaders) 86
7. George Whitelock (Crusaders) 84
8. Hosea Gear (Highlanders) 82
8. Liam Messam (Chiefs) 82
10. Deon Fourie (Stormers) 79
10. Julian Savea (Hurricanes) 79
10. Pierre Spies (Bulls) 79
13. John Hardie (Highlanders) 78
13. Marcell Coetzee (Sharks) 78
15. Brad Shields (Hurricanes) 77
16. Matthew Hodgson (Force) 76
17. Jacques Engelbrecht (Kings) 75
17. Steven Luatua (Blues) 75
19. Stephen Moore (Brumbies) 73
19. TJ Ioane (Highlanders) 73
Most Run Metres
1. Israel Folau (Waratahs) 1121
2. Digby Ioane (Reds) 960
3. Charles Piutau (Blues) 929
4. Julian Savea (Hurricanes) 812
5. Tom Marshall (Crusaders) 784
6. Alapati Leiua (Hurricanes) 766
7. Israel Dagg (Crusaders) 731
8. Hosea Gear (Highlanders) 719
9. Ben Smith (Highlanders) 663
10. James O’Connor (Rebels) 660
11. Frank Halai (Blues) 629
12. Alfie Mafi (Force) 611
13. Adam Ashley-Cooper (Waratahs) 599
14. Robert Fruean (Crusaders) 594
15. Bernard Foley (Waratahs) 590
16. Tim Nanai-Williams (Chiefs) 586
17. Ben Tapuai (Reds) 581
18. Rene Ranger (Blues) 564
19. Joseph Tomane (Brumbies) 562
20. Raymond Rhule (Cheetahs) 547
Most Kicks
1. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 120
2. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 91
3. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes) 83
4. Demetri Catrakilis (Kings) 78
5. Quade Cooper (Reds) 74
6. Burton Francis (Cheetahs) 73
6. Joe Pietersen (Stormers) 73
8. Jesse Mogg (Brumbies) 67
9. James O’Connor (Rebels) 60
10. Nic White (Brumbies) 57
11. Bernard Foley (Waratahs) 56
12. George Whitehead (Kings) 54
13. Willie le Roux (Cheetahs) 53
14. Sias Ebersohn (Force) 51
15. Tyler Bleyendaal (Crusaders) 50
15. Will Genia (Reds) 50
17. Matt Toomua (Brumbies) 49
18. Aaron Cruden (Chiefs) 47
18. Piri Weepu (Blues) 47
20. Chris Noakes (Blues) 42
Most Kick Metres
1. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 4960
2. Demetri Catrakilis (Kings) 3122
3. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 2918
4. Burton Francis (Cheetahs) 2874
5. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes) 2862
6. Joe Pietersen (Stormers) 2733
7. Jesse Mogg (Brumbies) 2640
8. Quade Cooper (Reds) 2549
9. James O’Connor (Rebels) 2384
10. Sias Ebersohn (Force) 2089
11. George Whitehead (Kings) 1929
12. Bernard Foley (Waratahs) 1885
13. Tyler Bleyendaal (Crusaders) 1880
14. Nic White (Brumbies) 1857
15. Matt Toomua (Brumbies) 1829
16. Will Genia (Reds) 1770
17. Aaron Cruden (Chiefs) 1686
18. Willie le Roux (Cheetahs) 1622
19. Elton Jantjies (Stormers) 1460
20. Daniel Carter (Crusaders) 1443
Most Pick And Drives
1. Matthew Hodgson (Force) 23
2. Kyle Cooper (Sharks) 21
3. Corey Flynn (Crusaders) 20
3. Deon Fourie (Stormers) 20
3. Hugh McMeniman (Force) 20
6. Liam Gill (Reds) 18
7. Rob Simmons (Reds) 15
8. Andrew Hore (Highlanders) 14
8. Luke Braid (Blues) 14
8. Luke Jones (Rebels) 14
8. Saia Faingaa (Reds) 14
12. Heath Tessmann (Force) 13
12. Laurie Weeks (Rebels) 13
12. Ma’afu Fia (Highlanders) 13
12. Pierre Spies (Bulls) 13
12. Pieter-Steph du Toit (Sharks) 13
17. Greg Holmes (Reds) 12
17. Marcell Coetzee (Sharks) 12
17. Pekahou Cowan (Force) 12
17. Steven Kitshoff (Stormers) 12
Most Try Assists
1. Bernard Foley (Waratahs) 9
2. Aaron Cruden (Chiefs) 7
3. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes) 5
3. James O’Connor (Rebels) 5
5. Christian Lealiifano (Brumbies) 4
6. Francis Saili (Blues) 3
6. Gareth Anscombe (Chiefs) 3
6. Israel Folau (Waratahs) 3
6. Matt Toomua (Brumbies) 3
6. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 3
6. Nic White (Brumbies) 3
6. Patrick Lambie (Sharks) 3
6. Quade Cooper (Reds) 3
6. Rene Ranger (Blues) 3
6. Will Genia (Reds) 3
6. Winston Stanley (Force) 3
17. Adam Ashley-Cooper (Waratahs) 2
17. Alapati Leiua (Hurricanes) 2
17. Chris Noakes (Blues) 2
17. Jesse Mogg (Brumbies) 2
Most Linebreaks
1. Gareth Anscombe (Chiefs) 10
2. Bernard Foley (Waratahs) 9
2. Peter Betham (Waratahs) 9
4. Ben Smith (Highlanders) 8
4. Charles Piutau (Blues) 8
4. Henry Speight (Brumbies) 8
4. Hosea Gear (Highlanders) 8
4. Kade Poki (Highlanders) 8
9. Alfie Mafi (Force) 7
9. Israel Folau (Waratahs) 7
9. Lelia Masaga (Chiefs) 7
9. Tim Nanai-Williams (Chiefs) 7
13. Adam Ashley-Cooper (Waratahs) 6
13. Ben Tapuai (Reds) 6
13. Drew Mitchell (Waratahs) 6
13. Frank Halai (Blues) 6
13. Ged Robinson (Rebels) 6
13. Julian Savea (Hurricanes) 6
13. Michael Hooper (Waratahs) 6
13. Robert Fruean (Crusaders) 6
Most Linebreak Assists
1. Aaron Cruden (Chiefs) 12
2. Bernard Foley (Waratahs) 10
3. Israel Folau (Waratahs) 7
4. James O’Connor (Rebels) 5
5. Ben Smith (Highlanders) 4
5. Elton Jantjies (Stormers) 4
5. Francis Saili (Blues) 4
5. Ma’a Nonu (Highlanders) 4
5. Matt Toomua (Brumbies) 4
5. Nic White (Brumbies) 4
5. Rene Ranger (Blues) 4
5. Will Genia (Reds) 4
13. Aaron Smith (Highlanders) 3
13. Daniel Carter (Crusaders) 3
13. Gareth Anscombe (Chiefs) 3
13. Liam Messam (Chiefs) 3
13. Morne Steyn (Bulls) 3
13. Tim Nanai-Williams (Chiefs) 3
13. Tom Marshall (Crusaders) 3
13. Winston Stanley (Force) 3
Most Offloads
1. Quade Cooper (Reds) 26
2. Israel Folau (Waratahs) 21
3. Luke Braid (Blues) 17
4. Francois Steyn (Sharks) 16
4. Rene Ranger (Blues) 16
4. Robert Fruean (Crusaders) 16
7. Ben Smith (Highlanders) 15
8. James O’Connor (Rebels) 14
9. Aaron Cruden (Chiefs) 12
9. Julian Savea (Hurricanes) 12
9. Ryan Crotty (Crusaders) 12
12. George Smith (Brumbies) 11
12. Kyle Godwin (Force) 11
12. Zac Guildford (Crusaders) 11
15. Asaeli Tikoirotuma (Chiefs) 10
15. Charles Piutau (Blues) 10
15. Digby Ioane (Reds) 10
15. Meyer Bosman (Sharks) 10
15. Nic White (Brumbies) 10
15. Sam Cane (Chiefs) 10
Most Pilfers
1. Sam Cane (Chiefs) 8
2. George Smith (Brumbies) 7
2. Rene Ranger (Blues) 7
4. Liam Gill (Reds) 6
5. Jacques Botes (Sharks) 4
6. Anthony Faingaa (Reds) 3
6. Chris Alcock (Force) 3
6. Jean Deysel (Sharks) 3
6. Josh Bekhuis (Highlanders) 3
6. Meyer Bosman (Sharks) 3
6. Michael Fitzgerald (Chiefs) 3
6. Michael Hooper (Waratahs) 3
6. Nick Phipps (Rebels) 3
6. Pieter Labuschagne (Cheetahs) 3
6. Saia Faingaa (Reds) 3
6. Sam Whitelock (Crusaders) 3
6. Scott Higginbotham (Rebels) 3
6. Tatafu Polota-Nau (Waratahs) 3
6. Tawera Kerr-Barlow (Chiefs) 3
6. Wimpie van der Walt (Kings) 3
Most Lineouts Won
1. Ben Mowen (Brumbies) 60
2. Juandre Kruger (Bulls) 49
3. Andries Bekker (Stormers) 45
4. David Dennis (Waratahs) 43
5. De Kock Steenkamp (Stormers) 40
6. Scott Higginbotham (Rebels) 38
7. Franco van der Merwe (Sharks) 37
8. Flip van der Merwe (Bulls) 34
9. Toby Lynn (Force) 33
10. Sam Whitelock (Crusaders) 32
11. Jeremy Thrush (Hurricanes) 31
12. Rob Simmons (Reds) 30
13. Brodie Retallick (Chiefs) 28
13. Hugh McMeniman (Force) 28
15. Lodewyk de Jager (Cheetahs) 27
15. Steven Sykes (Kings) 27
17. Hugh Pyle (Rebels) 26
17. Pieter Labuschagne (Cheetahs) 26
17. Pieter-Steph du Toit (Sharks) 26
20. Josh Bekhuis (Highlanders) 24
Most Penalties Conceded
1. Wyatt Crockett (Crusaders) 23
2. Ben Mowen (Brumbies) 19
3. Greg Holmes (Reds) 17
4. Ben Alexander (Brumbies) 16
5. Steven Kitshoff (Stormers) 15
6. Ben Franks (Hurricanes) 14
7. Ali Williams (Blues) 13
7. Matthew Hodgson (Force) 13
9. Sam Carter (Brumbies) 12
9. Scott Higginbotham (Rebels) 12
11. Karl Lowe (Hurricanes) 11
11. Michael Hooper (Waratahs) 11
11. Schalk Ferreira (Kings) 11
11. Scott Fuglistaller (Rebels) 11
11. Steven Sykes (Kings) 11
16. Angus Ta’avao (Blues) 10
16. Coenrad Oosthuizen (Cheetahs) 10
16. Laurie Weeks (Rebels) 10
16. Liam Messam (Chiefs) 10
16. Pieter Labuschagne (Cheetahs) 10
Most Turnovers
1. Stephen Moore (Brumbies) 31
2. Deon Fourie (Stormers) 26
3. Adriaan Strauss (Cheetahs) 24
3. Quade Cooper (Reds) 24
5. Nathan Charles (Force) 21
5. Raymond Rhule (Cheetahs) 21
7. Charles Piutau (Blues) 20
7. Digby Ioane (Reds) 20
9. Hikawera Elliot (Chiefs) 19
9. James Parsons (Blues) 19
9. Motu Matu’u (Hurricanes) 19
12. Bandise Maku (Kings) 18
12. Ged Robinson (Rebels) 18
12. Israel Folau (Waratahs) 18
15. Corey Flynn (Crusaders) 17
15. Heath Tessmann (Force) 17
15. Luke Jones (Rebels) 17
15. Rene Ranger (Blues) 17
15. Scott Higginbotham (Rebels) 17
15. Shaun Venter (Kings) 17
Most Missed Tackles
1. Michael Hooper (Waratahs) 28
2. Chris Noakes (Blues) 27
3. Robert Ebersohn (Cheetahs) 23
4. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes) 22
4. Sergeal Petersen (Kings) 22
6. Brad Shields (Hurricanes) 20
6. Mitch Inman (Rebels) 20
6. Pierre Spies (Bulls) 20
9. Jacques Engelbrecht (Kings) 19
9. Raymond Rhule (Cheetahs) 19
9. Ronnie Cooke (Kings) 19
12. Asaeli Tikoirotuma (Chiefs) 18
12. Julian Savea (Hurricanes) 18
12. Liam Messam (Chiefs) 18
12. Phillip van der Walt (Cheetahs) 18
16. Demetri Catrakilis (Kings) 17
16. Francis Saili (Blues) 17
16. JJ Engelbrecht (Bulls) 17
16. Schalk Ferreira (Kings) 17
16. Willie le Roux (Cheetahs) 17

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28 Comments

  1. avatar biltongbek says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 8:30 am

    These stats make for interesting reading.

    We have 4 players in the top twenty for most runs, they are all forwards.

    We have 6 players in the top twenty for pick and drives

    We have only one in the most meters ran, Raymond Rhule (Run Forest Run)

    No line breaks, Two players in the Line break assists.

    Scary to think a player who is in such poor form is the King of offloads in SA. Frans Steyn.

    We’re masters at the line out, 5 in the top ten, 9 in the top 20. :applause:

    We have the two hardest working defenders in the comp, but then also 11 of the top twenty missed tacklers.

    We can also kick a bit too.

    So, our forwards are AWESOME, our backs, not so much.

  2. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 10:17 am

    Reply to biltongbek @ 8:30 am:

    Pretty much sums up the game-plans more than it does the caliber of collective forward packs and then the backs…

  3. avatar biltongbek says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 10:17 am: Yep, no argument from me.

  4. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 12:50 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 12:01 pm:

    Another thing evident in those kicking stats is that teams like the Sharks and Bulls don’t have any other tactical kickers particularly at 9… hence the 10′s with all the kick-stats and a team like the Brumbies has their 9,10 and 15 in amongst there… Brumbies actually kick more than any other team collectively (coincidence they have a South African coach)?

    Fortunately for them they’re a bit more balanced across the rest of stats too…

  5. avatar biltongbek says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 12:55 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 12:50 pm: Astutely observed sir.

    It is very true that we lack scrum halves in the mould of fourie du Preez.

    I can’t think of one stand out that can emulate his ability to control play from 9.

    Perhaps Jano Vermaak? Although it must be said he isn’t in the same class.

  6. avatar Loosehead says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Yet HM leaves Lappies out of his Bok training group? 8O :roll:

  7. avatar Boertjie says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 2:43 pm

    As I said elsewhere:

    “When it comes to open play the other
    sides run circles around us. We just don’t
    have the talent to break a line with skills.”

    Our sides score tries mostly through power and
    pressure, plus the odd intercept.

    The honourable DavidS disagreed.

    I somehow feel these stats bear me out:
    No line breaks, Two players in the Line break assists (4, 19). One player in offloads. Running metres 1 (20).

    I guess that settles it, huh?

  8. avatar biltongbek says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 2:56 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 2:43 pm:

    Must be our intent. :respek:

  9. avatar DavidS says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 3:57 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 2:43 pm:

    The results of games between our sides and Australian teams tell a different story.

    The stats have already been rejected as false by Kiwis and South African experts on twitter…

    I guess if you rely on an Australian commercial site where rugby is a thrid sport they host as accurate you get people who believe intent and intensity exist… or that South Africa’s teams get circles run around them…

    And intelligent design and evolution is a myth and the earth is 6000 years old and alienns kidnaped Elvis and the CIA killed JFK.

  10. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 12:55 pm:

    Yep me neither… cannot come up with anyone other than Jano…

    If he could just have the added pace of Hougaard/Pretorius and the kicking game of Pienaar there’d be no doubt…

    But then that’s only one player and test rugby might be a step too far… we need two more 9′s…

    Will probably be Pienaar and Hougaard… with both RP and Jano getting on a bit…

    Kockott still playing excellent rugby (outside of Plum-for-brains clutches) and 26… and Reinach is injured…

    What happened to that Lions 9 that won the Junior World Cup?

    But then again if the pack (and rest) still cannot dominate the break-downs at pace all over the paddock… and provide quick-ball… not really going to matter if they have Will Genia and Dan Carter…

    Which brings me to my next worry (before the pack playing as a unit) and that is the balance of the loose-trio…

  11. avatar Timeo says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 2:43 pm:

    If we don’t have the talent to play running rugby with Aus and NZ then surely it would be the hight of stupidity to play running rugby with Aus and NZ.

    Does that make sense?

  12. avatar biltongbek says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 5:20 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 5:10 pm:

    The problem with Hougaard is he is not a kicker, his execution is poor, sure he can work on it, but I beleive he must be allowed to play his natural game, remember Boela Conradie? He was mainly a ruck clearer, but he did it very well.

    So our fly half with Hougaard at 9 is key.

    As far as our backrow is concerned, Schalk Burger was never theoffloading type or pilferer, but he seemd to have developed expecially his offloading game in the year during the RWC.

    Maybe we can get Coetzee to develop his, because frankly he doesn’t offload. I like Siya Kolisi a lot, for his size he is very physical and he has pace, with a decent pass, the problem with Vermeulen, Alberts and Johan Louw there isn’t a lot of oace around.

    Spies is not my favourite, but he seems to be doing OK this year.

    So maybe Kolisi, Alberts and Spies with Vermeulen off the bench?

  13. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 3:57 pm:

    “The results of games between our sides and Australian teams tell a different story.”

    No not really mate…

    Forget the Rebels and Force… they hardly count looking at where they are on the log…

    No RSA team has beaten the Reds yet… and only the Stormers (at home) have beaten the Brumbies…

    But I do agree with you… the above stats show different game-plans… not necessarily losing ones either (well in the case of the Bulls)…

    But who wouldn’t want to see less miss-tackles, more tries (with that come the try-assists), line-breaks and line-breaks assists in amongst the rest…

  14. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 5:37 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 5:20 pm:

    Hougaard needs game-time at 9 (same old same old)… but he’ll more than likely get it in June…

    I still think like Sarel… they’re better wings than half-backs…

    I’ll just have to leave HM to sort this dilemma at 9 out (lol)… I don’t have anything more than what I stated above (on top of hoping the Reinachs and Van Zyls come of age)…

    As for the loosies… I’m not sold on Kolisi… albeit he definitely appears to have the speed so clearly lacking in the pack… quite frankly every player in the 22 should be able to pilfer not too mention off-load (which comes with support players)… but it would be handy if Siya wasn’t just a link type player…

    My solution would be having 5 loose-forwards playing in the 22… with two quicks amongst them… and the entire 22 on the same page when arriving at rucks/tackle-zone/support on attack/defence…

    I’m finding it much easier to pick an Aussie pack this season than Bok one ironically…

  15. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 5:39 pm

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 5:37 pm:

    That is with all the injuries re: Bok pack…

  16. avatar Boertjie says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Reply to Timeo @ 5:17 pm:

    You are right, of course. But it does not
    make me feel any better that we are forced
    to play this one-dimensional and so predictable
    style.
    Imagine ONE linebreak and ONE offload in the WC
    semis vs the Ozmob . . . instead of hitting heads
    againsy the wall time and again.

  17. avatar biltongbek says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Or a pass that doesn’t go forward to the guy with an open tryline.

  18. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    May 7th, 2013 at 8:05 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 6:12 pm:

    It was Bryce Lawrence’ fault remember.

  19. avatar Timeo says:
    May 8th, 2013 at 1:56 am

    Reply to Boertjie @ 6:12 pm:

    I reject the notion that it is one-dimensional or predictable with contempt. :wink:

    A system which enables players of lesser talent to compete with and beat players of more talent, is superior. That should be self evident.

    It has to involve hard work, ingenuity and creativity, else it could never be competitive. Success is then, a much greater achievement than if it’s obtained through physical talents, which stem from random genetic luck.

  20. avatar Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa says:
    May 8th, 2013 at 6:07 am

    Nothing has changed in many years, great forwards zero backline. So why don’t we put forwards in the backline?

    Bugger some one thought of that already with Bekker or HM’s obsession in size, Fat Frans as a prop?

    It is such a shame we see the backline in defensive terms and not one that serves the forwards on attack.

  21. avatar Craven says:
    May 8th, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Reply to Timeo @ 1:56 am:

    “A system which enables players of lesser talent to compete with and beat players of more talent, is superior. That should be self evident.”

    This bit made me think, very good point and kudos to you for putting it so eloquently.

  22. avatar Boertjie says:
    May 8th, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Reply to Craven @ 9:54 am:

    They usually achieve that because they have
    the more skilled players, not bigger players.
    More brain, not more braun.

  23. avatar Timeo says:
    May 8th, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 11:13 am:

    When they list the respective pack weights on television, more often than not, the SA pack is the lighter one. Our backs are clearly on average smaller than their opponents. The notion of the “big SA forwards” is a myth from the past.

    So if our players are less skilled (as you say) and smaller (as is documented), how do our teams stay competitive?

    More brains, not brawn.

  24. avatar Boertjie says:
    May 8th, 2013 at 2:48 pm

    They tackle themselves to a standstill
    - often twice the amount of the opposition.
    And milk penalties.

    Right now I fear we have no team that can
    think of succesfully playing in a semi-final,
    let alone a final.

    BTW I see there is some shit flying Down Under
    because of the Stormers’ outspokenness about
    the quality of refereeing.

  25. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    May 8th, 2013 at 5:10 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 2:48 pm:

    I have been saying for 2 seasons now that the Stormers (and sharks to a certain extend) gameplans thats overly defence focused and where only forwards are used in close quarters on attack is a recipe for player burnout and injury.

    The ‘bad luck with injuries’ line is not very scientific in sport is it? Surely something makes some teams more or less lucky – yet the Stormers even in seasons when they were winning were experiencing loads of injuries partly because AC played many into the ground but also due to the way we play.

  26. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    May 8th, 2013 at 5:54 pm

    Kiwi’s bitching as per norm… nothing in Aus news…

  27. avatar mawm-the-ever-hopeful-shark says:
    May 9th, 2013 at 11:59 am

    Reply to bryce_in_oz @ 5:54 pm: http://www.supersport.com/rugby/super-rugby/news/130508/Sanzar_consider_misconduct_case_against_Stormers

    Kiwi’s just love reporting South Africans to the judicial officer.

  28. avatar DavidS says:
    May 9th, 2013 at 7:34 pm

    Apparently there is some issue about who can and cannot be the JO due to possible bias and the hearing will happen later…

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