Boks 30 v Scotland 17

June 15, 2013
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The score between these two teams in recent years have been very close, but the Boks should be way too good at home and at altitude for a Scottish side missing their best players to the B&I Lions.

Recent results:
2012: South Africa won 21-10, Edinburgh
2010: Scotland won 21-17, Edinburgh
2008: South Africa won 14-10, Edinburgh
2007: South Africa won 27-3, Edinburgh
2006: South Africa won 29-15, Port Elizabeth
2006: South Africa won 36-16, Durban
2004: South Africa won 45-10, Edinburgh
2003: South Africa won 28-19, Johannesburg
2003: South Africa won 29-25, Durban
2002: Scotland won 21-6, Edinburgh

Teams

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Arno Botha, 6 Marcell Coetzee, 5 Juandré Kruger, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Flip van der Merwe, 20 Siya Kolisi, 21 Piet van Zyl, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein.

Scotland: 15 Peter Murchie, 14 Tommy Seymour, 13 Alex Dunbar, 12 Matt Scott, 11 Sean Lamont, 10 Ruaridh Jackson, 9 Greig Laidlaw (captain), 8 Johnnie Beattie, 7 Ryan Wilson, 6 Alasdair Strokosch, 5 Jim Hamilton, 4 Tim Swinson, 3 Euan Murray, 2 Scott Lawson, 1 Alasdair Dickinson.
Replacements: 16 Fraser Brown, 17 Jon Welsh, 18 Moray Low, 19 Alastair Kellock, 20 David Denton, 21 Henry Pyrgos, 22 Peter Horne, 23 Duncan Taylor.

Date: Saturday, June 15
Venue: Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit
Kick-off: 17.15 (15.15 GMT; 16.15 UK time)
Expected weather: Sunny with a high of 23°C , dropping to 10°C
Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant referees: Pascal Gauzère (France), Nigel Hennessy (Wales)
TMO: Gerrie Coetzee (South Africa)

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39 Comments

  1. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 4:40 pm

    It will be tough for overseas Boks to make
    the Bok team:

    “This is especially true when you have training
    camps, you want to have them here.” – Heyneke.
    He added that guys with 50-60 tests like Habana
    and Morne Steyn are slightly different.
    He warned Boks playing overseas that it may be
    the end of their test careers. Selecting them
    will be “exeptional.”

    This applies to:
    Bekker, JP Pietersen, Juandre Kruger, Ralepelle
    and Kirchner.

    “You want 90% of your squad playing here because
    you want to coach them and give them experience.”

  2. avatar Aldo says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    The Boks need to wake up, there is no defensive lines, both our centre’s have gone for the intercepts on our own line. And it is one thing to run and play expansive rugby, but you need to earn the right to play wide first.

    There is no structure at the moment, the Boks going wide with everything, it becomes predictable.

  3. avatar Aldo says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 5:42 pm

    And our backrow is massively unbalanced with Botha going off injured so early.

  4. avatar Aldo says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 5:44 pm

    And Scots playing very negative. Every tackle they go off their feet, never release the tackled player, offsides half the time, running obstruction on kick chasers.

  5. avatar Aldo says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Bobby Skinstead summing it up brilliantly, Boks looking like headless chickens at the moment.

  6. avatar Bekke says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Morne Steyn, jou mofdoring!!!!

  7. avatar Aldo says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 6:14 pm

    Nou wat moet Morne doen? Geen losskakel gaan iets doen as die scrumhalf agtervoet bal agterlyn toe stuur nie, en die voorspelers nie hulle werk doen nie. Die Bokke speel uiters swak

  8. avatar Bekke says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Aldo, die fokken losskakel moet ten minste tackle. Die moffie is te banggat en moet fokof

  9. avatar Aldo says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Is this ref even watching the game? Missing clear obstruction on kickchasers, missing obstruction when the scots attack, missing them charging in from the sides at rucks. The ref isnt going to blow it so Boks need to up their game at the rucks so that we counter and protect our own ball.

  10. avatar Aldo says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 6:23 pm

    Haha Bekker, okay, hy is seker een van ons beste verdedigers in die 10 trui. Maar ok, ek verstaan, jy is frustreerd soos ek en die res van die land met die bokke.

  11. avatar Bekke says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 6:24 pm

    Just look at his play after Etzebet storm down kick. Scots don’t even consider him as a player on defence!!!

  12. avatar Bekke says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Marcel Coetzee looks like a gypo turd with a headband!!!

  13. avatar Bekke says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 6:38 pm

    More fair game when we play against 14 – given our passenger on 10

  14. avatar Aldo says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Flippen hel, the ref still not blowing obstruction on kick chasers and scots constantly of their feet at breakdown and offsides.

  15. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    Deserved MoM for Kolisi.
    Boks still poor at the rucks, even
    allowing for the negative tactics.

  16. avatar biltongbek says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Did this game remind anyone of the QF against OZ in 2011?

    Scots infringe at every ruck, pull defenders back block access to the ball, have 3 pairs of hands on the ball and Poite just allows them to continue.

    The frustrating thing is we still haven’t learnt how to deal with it.

    For all the talk Meyer has done about cleaning rucks and smartening up, nothing has come of it.

    Very disappointed to see we are still “so toe soos klei osse se gatte”

    Bloody pathetic.

  17. avatar biltongbek says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 8:00 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 7:35 pm: well at some point we will have to become smart. If the referee isn’t doing his job against an Australia or New Zealand you will lose if you don’t learn how to deal with negative tactics.

  18. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 8:10 pm

    Shunt the assholes OFF the ball – then
    there is no room for hands in rucks.
    And clean the hangers on OUT.

    You don’t have to have forwards defending
    in the backline if you WIN the ball.

  19. avatar Aldo says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    I agree biltongbek. It was frustrating to see the scots playing illegaly and the ref not blowing it up. But, we need the forwards to start clearing out, even if the opposition does not play to the rules. Do they think McCaw is going to stick to the rules if the ref allows him to break the rules? We need to start taking control of the rucks, and clearing the illegals out. We need to hit the rucks and hit them hard.

  20. avatar biltongbek says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 8:16 pm

    One more thing, Marcell Coetzee should not be in the Bok team, he rarely makes any ground, he isn’t a pilferers left nut, and he doesn’t pass. Apart from that he seems to go too high around the shoulders for the tackle and slips too many or is ineffective in the tackle.

  21. avatar Aldo says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 8:16 pm: :wave: I agree wholeheartedly

  22. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 9:19 pm

    Seems not only the Scots were guilty:

    RUGBY365:
    3 Jannie du Plessis
    Scrummed hard but was lazy around the field and got away with a number of illegal infringements at the ruck. Came in the side to numerous occasions at the ruck.
    4/10

  23. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 9:20 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 8:16 pm:

    6 Marcell Coetzee
    Carried the ball well and when he shifted to the blindside he seemed to go back to the game that got him the Springbok call-up in the first place.
    6.5/10

  24. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 10:26 pm

    Hat off to the Scots for a great effort – SA had to dig deep! Scots were such a pain at the break down – SA need to prevent this type of play, Bakkies would not allow that bs from the opposition.
    :Rule 9:

  25. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 10:33 pm

    BTW – why the hell did the Boks play in white?
    We’ve never played the Scots in white?
    Are there still some B&W TV’s out there?
    Even so, it’s the visiting team that must
    adjust their gear – unlike in the old days.

  26. avatar biltongbek says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 9:20 pm: they obviously didn’t watch the same game as me.

  27. avatar Bekke says:
    June 15th, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    I thought Jannie was poor – looked dead tired! He is playing way too much rugby, should have been rested these games. Good tactic by the Scots to basically hold the ball under the bok tackled player on the ground – got a few penalties that way.
    And biltongbek, your comments were also 100% applicable to Spies

  28. avatar Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa says:
    June 16th, 2013 at 3:50 am

    As much as MUGS wants to get on his high horse and bash the boks one has to give credit to heart and brains of the Scots.

    They knew the backline breaks the defensive line by coming off the line so they exploited it(2 serial culprits).
    They knew our calls from the very first throw in.
    They knew we dont protect the ball cos we are standing in pods.
    They had passion.

    They knew how the ref calls the game too. So when you are outgunned you use your smarts. Sure most of it cheating but smart.
    This is how NZ, Reds, Crusaders and England plays so good game to get used to all the off the ball stuff.

    This is what makes test rugby great, pride and passion. Players playing above their ability especially when outgunned.
    What a great crowd and stadium. Good stuff.

    Thanks to https://www.youtube.com/user/KostazHD for uploading the full games.

  29. avatar Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa says:
    June 16th, 2013 at 3:52 am

    Reply to Bekke @ 11:36 pm: so clever wily scots.
    Willie le Roux at flyhalf? Just thinking.

  30. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    June 16th, 2013 at 4:23 am

    Same old same old shite devoid of any collective effort at the breakdowns… Argentina will smash the Boks if this is STILL not addressed…

    Nothing has changed since the 1/4 final RWC effort…

  31. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    June 16th, 2013 at 4:24 am

    Reply to Bekke @ 11:36 pm:

    Yep they continue to over-play him whether he’s at 50% or not for Boks and Sharks… and no TH on the bench…

  32. avatar Americano says:
    June 16th, 2013 at 5:30 am

    Pity that Messerschmitt was starved of possession.
    Nelspruit? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelspruit
    What’s with the flourescent green arm bands? Surely that played a role.

  33. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 16th, 2013 at 10:48 am

    Reply to Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa @ 3:50 am:

    Jip, they knew te ref so well they conceded
    18 penalties vs the 10 of the Boks.
    8)

  34. avatar DavidS says:
    June 17th, 2013 at 8:36 am

    I see social media is filled with hysteria to drop all of the backline…

    Whilst I agree re Pienaar who’s service to the backline was a large part of the problem, I also reckons the f***king forwards need to catch a F**KING 10/10 running jumping leaping come to f**king Allah around the earhole F**kslap because 90% of the slow ball at ruck time can be attributed to them failing to give the backline fast ball…

    Blaming Steyn/De Villiers because they couldn’t do anything with the ball is missing the problem that 1. The forwards were not cleaning out cleanly at ruck time but rather as a haphazard individual effort when they felt in the mood and this is all of them… and 2. Pienaar’s Joost style waiting for an opportune moment to pass may have looked cool in the rules of the 1990′s but this is no longer the 1990s… wait a split second and defences are set and you have three loose forwards a hooker, scrumhalf and flyhalf charging your flyhalf and inside center the minute you release the ball…

    Boks’ coaches better stop listening to champagne Barbarians “running rugby” wanting twats and start listening to critics who realise that test rugby needs to be won.

  35. avatar Willem says:
    June 17th, 2013 at 10:10 am

    Agree. The forwards did nothing to protect our ball. that put Ruan under pressure. But still, he tends to wait and/or take 2 steps before he passes the ball and that delay transfers the pressure to the rest of the backline.Piet van Zyl’s service is brisker,he kicks well and he has an excellent running game! It’s now his time!

    Spiere Spies is currently the worst no 8 in test rugby, he must be dropped and Lappies is on current form better than Coetzee!My loosies will be Alberts at 8, Lappies 7 and Flo 6, with Kolisi on the bench.

  36. avatar DavidS says:
    June 17th, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Reply to Willem @ 10:10 am:

    I want Rory…

  37. avatar DavidS says:
    June 17th, 2013 at 12:25 pm

    Alberst has a tendency to go walkabout during games so i wouldn’t go with him.

    Still not sold on Flo…

    I would prefer Brussouw in there.

    As for #8…

    Nee ek weet nie…

    Nobody comes close to even springing to mind?

    Is there a talent shortage?

  38. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 17th, 2013 at 1:33 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 12:25 pm:

    anybody but stok!

    Reply to DavidS @ 12:23 pm:

    oh give it a rest :roll:

  39. avatar bryce_in_oz says:
    June 17th, 2013 at 4:44 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 12:25 pm:

    They going to have to go with a Kolisi type from the back of the scrum (for some added pace) and of course the hard part is finding the balance with the rest after putting in Flouw…

    Really doesn’t matter who they play if this pack continues to fail as a unit around the paddock in the tight-loose… lumbering fairies at the moment… no pack mentality at pace and vigour… not even a pick-n-go to put the opposition on the back-foot and give the half-backs some quick ball and gaps for the rest to run onto (when they even have a support-runner)…

    These half-baked teams have no fear at the break-down… the big boys will have none…

    Watch the Brumbies tomorrow… this is what makes their team so good this year… and allows the Faingaa’s and Smith’s to play so well at the breakdown in support (and not due to their individual brilliance)…

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