Bok team for Samoa changes three.

June 19, 2013
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Stok stays unfortunately

Anyway De Villiers and Alberts are included bust prove their fitness by Friday.

Here is the side.

15. Willie Messerschmidt Le Roux 14. Bryan Habana 13. JJ Engelbrecht 12 Jean De Villiers OR Jan Serfontein 10. Morne Steyn 11. Bjorn Skynet Basson 9 Ruan Verspied en Two Step Pienaar 8. Pierre Stok Spies 7. Willem Alberts OR Siya Kolisi 6. Francois Louw 5. Flip Van Der Merwe 4. Eben Cool Calm Collected Etzebeth 3. Dok Jannie Du Plessis 2. Adriaan Strauss and 1. Beast Mtawarirra

16. Bismarck Du Plessis 17. Trevor Nyakane 18. Coenie Oosthuizen 19 Jandre Kruger 20. Marcelle Baby Face Coetzee/Siya Kolisi 21. Piet Van Zyl 22. Pat Lambie 23. Jan Serfontein / Juan De Jongh

De Villiers captains but if he fails his fitness test it’s Strauss to captain.

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46 Comments

  1. avatar DavidS says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    JT is going to be happy…

    I must admit the loose trio looks unbalanced to me.

    And Flip Vetgat as 5?

    Admittedly though Juandre has done little to create trust in his abilities to lead at the lineout.

  2. avatar Americano says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 12:57 pm

    DavidS –
    If you think I missed out at you rightly naming the Messerschmitt as well the Messerschmitt in you roster write-up….
    Think Again
    :applause:

  3. avatar DavidS says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

    Reply to Americano @ 12:57 pm:

    I made no such error Americano…

    This is how the press release came from SARU…

    :wink:

  4. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 3:06 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 12:48 pm:

    why would I be happy – the backrow will always be unbalanced with Stok at 8 – we are a player short on defense!!
    :bangheadt:

    Samoa is going to give the Bokke a go this weekend – they already have the scalp of Australia…

  5. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 3:08 pm

    At least Strauss to captain and not Spiel!

  6. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    Chance to start with the Cheetahs
    frontrow missed.
    Someone will just have to hijack
    Stok Spies before 2015.
    Why not start with Kolisi and ease
    Alberts back into the team?
    Let’s hope Piet and Lambie gets
    a decent 20 minute run.

  7. avatar Aldo says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Because Bortjie, the balance of the backrow with Kolisi, flo and spies wouldnt be right. You need at least one big stron ball carrier, which Spies could be, but for what seems a lack of heart. Or that is how it seems anyway, I dont know why he doesnt play to fit his size.

  8. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 6:43 pm

    Kolisi is a strong carrier, not?

  9. avatar DavidS says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    Nee Kolisi is a poor runner.

    Is Spies not maybe carrying an injury?

  10. avatar biltongbek says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Reply to DavidS @ 7:32 pm: it seems he has been carrying that mystery injury since 2008. :whistling:

  11. avatar DavidS says:
    June 19th, 2013 at 9:07 pm

    Reply to biltongbek @ 8:12 pm: Like right after he “recovered” from a “blood disease”…

    Ja right amazing isn’t it?

  12. avatar biltongbek says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 8:41 am

    Reply to DavidS @ 9:07 pm: Yep, that pretty much clarifies his loss in form.

    Never been the same again.

  13. avatar Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    I worry about Jannie and Beast especially against the monster so probably why we see Flippie. Hahaha and Stok.

    There some big units in the samoan team, bone crunchers. We’ll have to see how stock manages with the rough stuff. A few Freestaters would have been a better choice.

  14. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 5:26 pm

    Heyneke must be the coach in history to play the kakkest sides in his first two years. Outside of 4 Nations countries he has only been drawn ‘hoendertjies’

    Must all be part of the greater plan to slowly reduce SA rugby to averagedom.

  15. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    not that he convincingly wiped the floor with any of those hoendertjies

  16. avatar Americano says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    Zee Meyer could throw Eddie Izzard @ 12 & I’d still support him due to his St.Paul-esque Road to Damascus conversion to the Messerschmitt-Willie.

  17. avatar Timeo says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 6:30 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 5:26 pm:

    You’re talking BS.

    Outside the 4N, he played England (rank 4th) four times last year.

    Ireland (8th) Italy (12th) Scotland (11th) Samoa (7th).
    The only top 10 teams he’s not played are France (4th), Wales (6th) and Tonga (10th).

    Who else then?

    How did the Boks get from 4th to 2nd on the rankings then?

  18. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

    Reply to Timeo @ 6:30 pm:

    this year is tough anyway to find good opposition – France (last in the 6N) went to NZ, England went to Argentina, so we end up playing Scotland 3rd? in the 6N and only missing 3 players to the Lions and Samoa who are on a roll beating Australia & Wales the 6N champs recently…
    Who else is there?? Aus and NZ will come :wave:

  19. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 7:29 pm:

    Thanks to the poor opposition we’re
    still 2nd.
    And second is not good enough for me –
    not with the so-called abundance of
    talent we have.
    Right now the AB’s should beat us with
    15 or more.
    We last dominated under Mallett and in
    2009 – for a short period only.

  20. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 7:59 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 7:54 pm:

    we will win the 4N if stok is dropped! :whistling: Maybe even with him there :roll:

    :pdv:

  21. avatar Americano says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    Really dig the nicknames DavidS.
    If Beast gets to be called Beast then do too Messerschmitt for SunKing Willie.

    Why is Spies Stok. What is a Stok. Those white unis with the flourescent green arm bands are for the birds.
    Who designed those? PDV?

  22. avatar JT_BOKBEFOK! says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    Reply to Americano @ 9:13 pm:

    Spies = Spear
    Stok = stick
    sPiel = sdick

    :twisted:

  23. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 20th, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Reply to JT_BOKBEFOK! @ 9:22 pm:

    Ja, ons moet die blerrie Yank ‘n paar
    woorde leer. Soos doos.

  24. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    June 21st, 2013 at 2:35 am

    Reply to Timeo @ 6:30 pm:

    last year France and Wales were the dominant sides in the north. We played neither of them. Our results would have been a lot different had we have to play the 2 strong teams on our tour and not the 3 kak ones.

    Even the teams touring here were the meek ones including an England development squad.

    Point is, we play kak opposition and we did not score a manic victory once.

    Yet I believe we are on the right track in some ways (bar the brussouw choice which Meyer will rue come 4N time)

  25. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    June 21st, 2013 at 2:40 am

    Yet until the Spies/Pienaars/Jeans of this world are still plying their mediocre trades in the Bok Jersey we will not really speed ahead.

    And while the Marcel Coetzees of this world gets Bok contracts we will continue to lose players to Japan/Europe at the speed of light.

    No-one seems too bothered about all this because hey, we beat Scotland.

  26. avatar Timeo says:
    June 21st, 2013 at 5:26 am

    Reply to Boertjie @ 7:54 pm:

    Talent?

    Check this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_21_Rugby_World_Championship

    then this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_19_Rugby_World_Championship

    and this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRB_Junior_World_Championship

    Almost every year, New Zeeland produce more talent than SA. The proof is in the results. The teams that beat NZ are the exceptional (or lucky) few.

  27. avatar Mug Punters Organisation of South Africa says:
    June 21st, 2013 at 5:44 am

    How about Mofstok?

    There are a few concerns:
    Kick and chase give away possession game
    Line outs and its place in the kick and chase game.
    Pods and rucks
    Attacking at pace and hitting gaps
    Defenders coming off the line
    No fetcher
    Poor mid field
    Mongrel has left the team
    Crashball rugby

    HM has his work cut out for him. Go Boks

  28. avatar DavidS says:
    June 21st, 2013 at 1:52 pm

    Geez brenden but you can talk kak…

    So rumours have it that there is a good possibility Jean will be playing against the Samoans…

    I’m in two minds…

    On one hand he plays and some bruising dirtbag writes him off.. is this so bad?

    On the other he does not and Serfontein pwns the midfield with JJ… is this so bad?

  29. avatar namboer says:
    June 21st, 2013 at 5:31 pm

    Reply to Boertjie @ 10:04 pm: Kort & kragtig – maklike begin! :twisted:

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 2:40 am: Hygend herd, jy kan darem k*k en kerm! Vat jy elke môre ‘n koppie sterk asynwater net sodat jou kiewe op ‘n knop trek en jy iets het om oor te moun??
    Engelbrecht
    Serfontein
    Rhule
    Kolisi
    Coetzee
    Messerchmidt
    Piet van Zyl
    Arno Botha
    P-S du Toit
    Goose
    Malherbe
    Om net ‘n paar te noem wat onlangs kans gekry het in die Groen & Goud. ‘n Man kan mos ook nie die hele o21-span, Chris Dry en daai Keniaan, wat nie die maskon kon opkom by die Tjarks, Bulle, Kings of in Kiwiland nie, Bokke maak nie!

    Chill bietjie en geniet so nou en dan ook die rugby, al is dit nie op die oomblik teen die beste opposisie nie. Just a suggestion!… :wink:

  30. avatar DavidS says:
    June 21st, 2013 at 6:08 pm

    Reply to namboer @ 5:31 pm:
    :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
    :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:

  31. avatar Cosa says:
    June 21st, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Reply to namboer @ 5:31 pm:

    Jy het so ‘n pragtige manier met woorde!

    :applause:

    :beer:

  32. avatar namboer says:
    June 21st, 2013 at 6:44 pm

    Reply to Cosa @ 6:17 pm: Haha – kom affie plaas, man, niks gewoond en ons praat maar só daar!
    :jester:

  33. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    June 22nd, 2013 at 2:51 am

    Reply to namboer @ 5:31 pm:

    Dont get me wrong. There are some things I am excited about around the Boks.

    Currently a great many things far more exciting than rugby. I have not watched a minute of any Bok game and dont plan to do so until the 4N.

    Been swept up by Lions challenge against some very exciting Ozzie players.

    Who Alberts and Jean crashballs into this Saturday is of no consequence and I am very happy with that thanks!

    :P

  34. avatar namboer says:
    June 22nd, 2013 at 5:38 am

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 2:51 am: Okei, darem net ‘n halfkoppie asynwater vanoggend – klink al amper of mens met jou kan werk! ;)

    I have also not watched any of the games so far, simply because of the time difference & that we had two 7′s tourneys the last 2 Saturdays. But I follow closely on here & SS.
    Samoa looks to be a real test – ‘payback’, a chance to prove themsleves and physical for the Islanders, Bokke better make sure show up.

    “Exciting Aussie players” – al wat exciting is daar, is watter een hierdiekeer ‘n ander een gaan wetter oor een/beide bietjie onder die prop is!! :twisted: :P :lol:

    Solank jy dit net geniet, en vir die Bokke skree in die 4N!

    Slaaptyd, uit eers.

  35. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    June 22nd, 2013 at 4:31 pm

    Reply to namboer @ 5:38 am:

    Call me unpatriotic but I only get behind the boks if I sense they are ready to use all our talents as a Rugby nation.

    When we do that we are awesome.

    But I have done my supporting and spent thousands of rands supporting that brand (went to france for world cup etc) but I am tired of the same old shit.

    There is some aspects to get excited over. Willie is afterall in the team.

    :support:

  36. avatar DavidS says:
    June 22nd, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 4:31 pm:

    Just read that first sentence…

    In the event f0*off

    Go be an Aussie Aussie Aussie…

  37. avatar Cosa says:
    June 22nd, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 2:51 am:

    I am of opinion that you should eat your words. The Boks played some great and exiting rugby.

    maybe you were still in diapers and cannot remember, but the great Bok team that was “coached” by Mallet, was taken to that level by Carel Du Plessis. When he got the team to show a full 80 mins consistency, he was faxed by Louis Late. But remember the notable games against the AB’s and Ozz mob just before he was axed? maybe our tame statistician, Dawie the Cagefighter can provide us with the scores.

    How many tests did it take Carel to get there? About 10. Lets hope that Meyer can also get to that level in say 15. But to my mind he is on his way there. The Cheeters mob pined about the whole Cheeters team not in the Bok side. just about everybody voiced negative criticism about the selections, style of play, Spies, Spies, Spies, Spies.

    I sincerely hope you assholes eat your words about Heyneke, team selections, the direction of coaching…..etc, etc, ……

  38. avatar DavidS says:
    June 22nd, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Reply to Cosa @ 8:19 pm: :applause: :nutkick:

  39. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 22nd, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    Well, Stok did his usual disappearing trick.
    Fortunately only for 40 minutes.

  40. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    June 23rd, 2013 at 2:21 am

    Reply to Cosa @ 8:19 pm:

    Did not see the game but 10 tries sounds great.

    Team selections is very indicative of a mans intentions and Meyers teams last year were kak. This year he seems to have gone for something a bit more balanced and this will win fans back to the brand.

    Cannot wait till Spies is also gone. Habs now playing great rugby. I also GET why Jean needs to be there.

    Both those players are in no demand abroad yet walks into the Bok side maybe cause they are such nice guys.

    But as I said a few days ago. Meyer is coming out of his shell a bit and making fine choices.

    There is hope

  41. avatar The Year of the Cheetah says:
    June 23rd, 2013 at 2:30 am

    Reply to Cosa @ 8:19 pm:

    and i have never called for every cheetah to be there.

    Still worried about Willie as a starting player. I want him to play from the bench but finally we have a playmaker in the 22 again. Its been what, 8 years?

    I still believe Brussouw is a better bet than Coetzee.

    Strauss, Coenie pick themselves. Ebersohns turn will come. Very happy for Nyakane though. Really enjoy him.

  42. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 23rd, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 2:30 am:

    Pity you did not see the game.
    Would have lent much more authority
    to your comments.
    :whistling:

  43. avatar Timeo says:
    June 23rd, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    74 10 Tonga 10 Jun 1997
    16 25 Lions 21 Jun 1997
    15 18 Lions 28 Jun 1997
    35 16 Lions 5 Jul 1997
    32 35 New Zealand 19 Jul 1997
    20 32 Australia 2 Aug 1997
    35 55 New Zealand 9 Aug 1997
    61 22 Australia 23 Aug 1997

    Nope.

    Carel Dup’s team got clobbered by the All Blacks.

  44. avatar Boertjie says:
    June 23rd, 2013 at 9:31 pm

    And saying Mallett built on Carel’s
    team – as is often stated – is bullshit
    as the results show.
    Even if his kickers let him down they
    played rather shit rugby – with the
    exception of the last game.

    I was at the photo session of the first
    test and you could feel the lack of
    trust and commitment. The scribes
    also called it right.

  45. avatar DavidS says:
    June 24th, 2013 at 12:08 am

    Reply to Timeo @ 7:53 pm:

    Ja have to recall though that in that game we got clbbered we lost Rueben Kruger with an ankle break inside like 5 minutes and then Andre venter to a bizarre red card halfway through the first half… at halftime the Boks were still holding them.

  46. avatar namboer says:
    June 24th, 2013 at 3:59 pm

    Reply to namboer @ 5:38 am:
    Reply to The Year of the Cheetah @ 2:51 am:

    http://www.supersport.com/rugby/british-lions/news/130624/Court_issues_arrest_warrant_for_Ioane ; http://www.ruggaworld.com/2013/06/24/statement-regarding-digby-ioane/
    …M**rse ‘exciting’! Mos gesê – wag net om te sien watter een hierdie keer ‘n ander een ged*nn*r het!!! :roll: :twisted: :lol:

    Ai, die Aussies!

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