‘Swop S15 for English clubs’

Jake White has suggested South African teams could ditch Super Rugby in favour of a tournament with English teams.


Following the Sharks director of rugby’s team’s 23-15 loss against Aviva Premiership log-leaders Saracens at Allianz Park, White told the BBC’s website that the two countries’ similar time-zones, lack of factors such as jet-lag and the financial benefits made logistical sense.

“Maybe this is the sign of things to come,” White said.

“It’s an overnight flight, and we’ll be back at work on Monday afternoon after playing a team in England.”

Speaking at a time when the Heineken Cup has come under fire from English and French clubs, White suggested a possible tournament merging English and South African teams as an alternative in the future.

“Logistically, to fit in an extra tournament against South African sides will be a bit tough, but maybe that can happen in the future.

“And for now there’s nothing wrong with now and then having southern hemisphere club sides against northern hemisphere club sides. Maybe here [England] can be a home from home. I’m sure there are exciting times ahead.”

White said the strong contingent of rugby supporting South African ex-pats in England added to the viability of the idea.

“I’m sure they’re going to enjoy some of the players they have supported as young kids playing in this country.”

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27 comments for “‘Swop S15 for English clubs’

  1. avatar
    out wide
    January 27, 2014 at 1:19 am

    Come on Jake, you are taking political correctness to the extreme. Obviously you have to say nice things about the home team and their competition when you have just lost to them but do you seriously think it is for the good of Springbok rugby to go and ditch S15 to play the Aviva sides? A rusty, under-performing and undisciplined Sharks side plays the Aviva log-leaders on their home turf and loses by 8 points. Doesn’t say much for their competition and their sides. If you want to compete at international level with the top 3 sides, you have to compete with their feeder sides, you of all people should know that.

  2. avatar
    January 27, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    @out wide:

    And what happens when Oz and NZ prefer
    to group us with Argentina for the first
    stages of the SS?
    Same thing, apart from being undercooked
    for the final stages of the SS.

  3. avatar
    January 27, 2014 at 1:16 pm

    Jake has barely started at the Sharks and I see he is allready looking for a new job.

  4. avatar
    January 27, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    Or rather, he was fishing for one during this same interview.

  5. avatar
    January 27, 2014 at 2:12 pm

    Situation in Europe is interesting with the heineken Cup on the verge of dissapearing.
    The way I understand it (maybe Methos can correct me!?):
    Pom Clubs have signed a deal with BT Sports in stead of Sky who have the current deal for the heineken Cup.
    Pom Clubs then tried to lure the French Clubs to sign with BT Sports in stead of Sky but the French are in talks with a French TV broadcaster leaving the Irish, Welsh, Scots and Italian Teams in the dark waiting to see what will happen.
    However the Celtic Teams and French may still make the deal with Sky and HC Rugby will be good to go but the Poms will then be left in the cold and this opens up the SA Super teams vs Pom Clubs as a solution.

    Now what I do NOT understand is why a competition should be dictated by the Sponsors instead of having a competition and having Sponsors bid for the rights :Dawie:

  6. avatar
    January 27, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    JT – sorry – can’t help.

    These are some hits from the Saracens game.


    In other news – played my first game in 6 weeks after the operation. Went rather well. Played for the B team of course but still it’s a game. Made the first try after a few hand offs and a offload. Then scored the second try and for the 3’rd I ran 50 odd meters and handed off a few tacklers before offloading and guy going in under the post. Also tackled a guy so hard he dislocated his shoulder.

    Only low point was that I missed the final conversion – right in front of the posts with a drop – can’t do everything ;)


  7. avatar
    January 27, 2014 at 11:36 pm

    @Methos The French Stormer:

    Shit, were you playing the blind school?
    Three tries by a dom voorspeler?
    ‘Spose you were hangin around on the wing, huh?

  8. avatar
    January 28, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Nah Boertjie

    I only scored one try – but made the other 2 – first one I was in the fly halve position and pulled in a few players and then offloaded for the guy to run in.

    Second one I scored myself after a scrum where I was at prop. Ball went to the right and I was behind flyhalf – he broke and got tackled 10m before the line and popped to me in support.

    3’rd I came in on the cut from behind the center, broke the line and handed off the wing and full back and another flanker before being held up and off loaded into the inside to our wing who popped before he got tackled to the other wing who scored.

    Never hang out at wing – it is for players like Brenden who don’t want to get mixed up in th eruff stuff.



  9. avatar
    January 28, 2014 at 1:20 pm

    talking about wingers – this Little guy is going to cause Problems at 7s ;-)

  10. avatar
    January 28, 2014 at 3:03 pm


    Think he’s going to cause problems at 15’s as well!


  11. avatar
    January 29, 2014 at 9:51 am

    @David Spohr:

    he is a kiwi

  12. avatar
    January 29, 2014 at 3:20 pm

    Rugby is a team sport.

    Unless someone teaches him that, he won’t get very far. At the top level the field is filled with big, fast and agile players. Doing it all by oneself, regardless of fancy steps and explosive speed, gives up more points than it gets.

    Want to be an individualist rugby hero? Learn to kick.

  13. avatar
    January 29, 2014 at 3:27 pm

    Careful to believe everything one sees in a video.

    Moving pictures are a powerful medium filled with possibilities for making the unreal look real.

    Superman cannot really fly. Clicking your heels three times, won’t take you back to Kansas. And Lieutenant Dan actually has two very healthy legs. :)

  14. avatar
    January 29, 2014 at 3:47 pm


    just because he is not a Bulls type player that is big and charges in gunbarrel straight head first into the 1st tackler does not mean he doesn’t have some talent ;-)

  15. avatar
    January 29, 2014 at 5:02 pm


    Sure he has talent.
    if the video is a true reflection of his play.

    But name the top level international players that run and step and bamboozle opponents all on their own like that. There are a few.

    Shane Williams

    but they do it mostly at lower levels and against weaker opponents. Against the ABs, the Boks, England and France, their running antics, often is more of a liability than an asset.

  16. avatar
    January 30, 2014 at 9:21 am


    read my original post again – I mentioned 7s.

  17. avatar
    January 30, 2014 at 11:14 am


    It says the game is in Chicago on the YT channel.

  18. avatar
    January 30, 2014 at 1:44 pm


    his name is Chicago Doyle ;-)

    Chicago Doyle
    DOB 28/8/2003
    Plays for Pakuranga Rugby Club in Auckland

  19. avatar
    January 30, 2014 at 4:35 pm


    Jt – It’s OK – die ou oom verstaan nie hom mooi van die teknologie nie. Eish hom die rekenaar… ;)

    Also the fact that people call name their kids after cities etc. Blooklyn etc


  20. avatar
    January 31, 2014 at 9:51 am

    @Methos The French Stormer:

    :twisted: next prospect from SA – Bloemfontein Oosthuizen?

  21. avatar
    January 31, 2014 at 4:08 pm


    I prefer Pinetown van Vuuren


  22. avatar
    January 31, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    There is a nice little book that explores naming fashions and other such human behaviors: Freakanomics, Lewitt & Dubner.

    According to them, most of the top ten names among the richest 10% of society will end up as top ten overall in the next decade, as middle class parents, hoping to gain an advantage for their children, choose names they associate with success.

    Why would Kiwi parents name their child Chicago?
    Admiration for the USA perhaps?

  23. avatar
    January 31, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    Or admiration for Chicago’s most famous son?

  24. avatar
    Cheetah Glory
    January 31, 2014 at 8:42 pm

    yip we are not going to see a Brakpan Fourie head the World Bank anytime soon.

  25. avatar
    Cheetah Glory
    January 31, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    Or a Spikkels Du Randt handle development at Google.

  26. avatar
    Cheetah Glory
    January 31, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    But we should. The status quo has done nothing but fuck up the world. How can any civilization claim to be advanced if its not environmentally sustainable?

    The type of question one can only ask on Ruggaworld….


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