Nabetragting – Springboks reach new low

Had to really wait a good 24 hours before I had the will power to look at the Irish test again and try and find some answers on what happen again.

It is always easy to start blaming the players and yes they do have to answer for performances on the field and more so when you running out for your country.

To dish up a performance like on Saturday against Ireland is just not something we need to except from any Springbok team.

To look at Saturdays test and think we can find the answers for our poor performance is short sighted the Springboks problems are much deeper that one of two test.

The alarm bells was going off even before the tour started when Coetzee picked his squad of players.

His planning for the 2019 seems non existed in this current setup and even if we try very hard not to be to much emotional he does not have the ability to even come close to outsmart teams at this level.

We always measure our-self against the All Blacks and the test at Newlands which showed some guts from the Boks gave many of us false hope.

Measurement of a team should be the consistent improvement and ability to compete against the very best their teams their are, and we are not even close to do that.

Last year we heard that we need to blame the short time Coetzee had to prepare and this year we are being told that we must keep believing in the process of this team and be positives when we lose 57-0 against the All Blacks.

It should not have come as a surprise on the Springboks fall from grace when you look at Coetzee track record with Province and the Stormers.

I feel sorry for players like Jantjies and Cronje who has shown against the best of New Zealand and Australia the past three years that they are game breakers and now are being made the reason for our poor form.

I do not buy this. With a coach like Ackermann these two players have played a quick direct game putting their backline in space and created tries but on Saturday it was clear that they were again instructed to play a game they are not suited to and kick everything that came their way.

You can not make a dog fly no why would you want to take two of the attacking best halfbacks in South Africa and tell them to kick all day.

It was the same Coetzee, then at the Stormers that took a talented young Jantjies who perform outstanding for the Lions and killed his game with one season at the Stormers.

When you see stats of 61% territory, 54% possession, making 134 meters with ball in hand from 12 carriers with more good passes that the Irish then you know that you had the wrong plan against them.

We made all the play but at the end they scored 4 tries to our big fat zero.

In the midfield Coetzee thought that he could bring in a player in De Allende, who has not perform well in Super Rugby nor in the previous two years for the Springboks, and take on a world class team like Ireland.

How you sit with an exciting player like Am in your squad and do not even use him from the bench is just plain the logic the Springbok coach have shown since he started.

I am not even gong to touch on the fact that he sits with Pollard who could have added so much more than the poor De Allende and gave them a left and right foot combination next to Jantjies.

Coetzee also ignore the likes of Frans Steyn who plays in Europe.

Our backline was poor and our defence was even worst with no structure on attack.

Nick Mallet said it best after the game when you look at our midfield

“The midfield attack – the two centres [Damian de Allende and Jesse Kriel] – showed absolutely no ability to straighten, catch or pass, which are the basics of international rugby.

‘You can play touch rugby against a player and within five minutes you can tell whether that player understands space, timing and depth, both when he has the ball in two hands and when he is a support runner.

I don’t think Damian de Allende or Jesse Kriel understand space or running straight or running lines. I think they are big, strong and powerful centres, who do not have a feel for the game of rugby.

‘Unfortunately, De Allende looked woefully out of form. He has been picked – and one wonders why – on reputation. He certainly hasn’t played enough games to warrant selection”

The only way Coetzee can rescue this tour is to get the right players involved. Time has come to call players like Vermeulen, Steyn and get players like Am and Gelant quicker in the system.

Upfront we need to pick players in their positions and have the best players starting the match. Sentiment must find a backseat and players not good enough needs to be shown the door.

The real sad part of Coetzee after this test was that he does not even know what is wrong. He could not even explained after the test what went wrong.

The Springboks are at a crossroad and SARU and Springbok management needs to make some hard decisions if they still want to safe the soon to be extinct Springbok rugby team.

As it stand now we will be lucky to come away from this tour with one win.



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    Welshbok die Brandwag

    November 12, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    Guys, I’m sorry, but I disagree to some extent.

    As I said on a previous thread, and possibly ruffling a few loyal Lions supporters feathers, but Cronje and Jantjies are hardly international candidates, I’m sorry, but how low have the standards actually dropped to?

    At super rugby level they were both doing well, but we all know that test rugby is a totally different beast, specially on a cold, slow winters night in the mist against Ireland in Dublin. Tactical kicking is paramount, and they have both consistently shown that they don’t have the goods. No use being moerig at the coach for making them play more tactically, I should bloody think so, they are professionals.

    The team selections are shocking as it is, but the quality available to select from is just so shocking, I did a comparison between the world cup winning team of 2007 compared to this bunch, it’s pathetic, to say the very least.

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    Welshbok die Brandwag

    November 12, 2017 at 10:24 pm

    Let’s just compare :

    1 – Os du Randt
    2 – John Smit
    3 – CJ vd Linde
    4 – Bakkies
    5 – Matfield
    6 – Schalk
    7 – Juan Smith
    8 – Danie Rossouw
    9 – FdP
    10 – Butch
    11 – Habana
    12 – Frans Steyn
    13 – Jaques Fourie
    14 – JP Pietersen
    15 – Monty

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    Welshbok die Brandwag

    November 12, 2017 at 10:30 pm

    Everyone of those players mentioned were in the form of their lives, there was not 1 weakness in that squad, nobody was there on past reputation and form, each player deserved his place, each player was a champion at international level, not super rugby and Currie cup level, but INTERNATIONAL Bok level, these were SPRINGBOKKE, and were feared in the world.

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    Welshbok die Brandwag

    November 12, 2017 at 10:33 pm

    Compared, I would select 1 of these players from Saturday above any of the players from 2007, no not even Malcolm Marx. His lineouts have been a shambles this season, not a patch on John Smit in consistency.

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    November 12, 2017 at 11:12 pm

    @Welshbok die Brandwag: that was a team JW build over four years

    They were not all great in 2004

    He saw what need to be done, build his team on what he believed in 2004 will need to win 2007 WC and did it

    Was not scared to try things and different combinations and drop players who went out of form or did not fit

    He did not pick on sentiment or loyalty he picked on what he believed would win

    AC has no plan, no structure and no vision

    JW picked pick players that fit his plan and vision, he did not try and tell players to play a different game than what their strengths were and he brought quality in to help him

    Since JW we had coaches who coach one dimensional

    You can not expect a elephant to run as a cheetah and cannot expect a cheetah to be as strong as a elephant

    Each have its strength and you need to accept that

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    November 12, 2017 at 11:13 pm

    The bug at Springbok level stop and begin at coach and his coaching team

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    November 12, 2017 at 11:16 pm

    A Great coach takes good players and with time makes them exceptional players in a team setup with planning and vision off their abilities

    About 2% of that 2007 WC team were exceptional players in 2004 but they became that in 2007 and later

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    November 12, 2017 at 11:18 pm

    A last thing on my Jake the snake love affair,

    SA rugby would have been better off if he stayed as coach after 2007

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    Welshbok die Brandwag

    November 12, 2017 at 11:31 pm

    Jacques, maybe you’re right, I don’t know. What history tells us however:

    Jake’s young inexperienced 2% team in 2004 won the trinations that year, and moered NZ the highest score ever recorded against them at Ellis Park with his young team.

    They really were exceptional from the beginning dude, unless NZ were abysmal, most unlikely.

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    out wide

    November 13, 2017 at 1:38 am

    Bunny the stats you quote do leave one asking how did the Boks lose so badly but you have to dig a bit deeper into the stats. Worrying stats under attack stats are linebreaks IRE 5 SA 0 and turnovers won IRE 6 SA 2. Under defence stats missed tackles are IRE 10% and SA 16% and then of course there is no stat that measures effectiveness of kicking and those first half box and other kicks by the Boks were abysmal. They might have made the Boks look good under the territory stats category but all they were doing is conceding hard won possession to the Irish who were so much better than us on attack. No wonder their kiwi coach was looking so animated on tv, they gifted that one to the Irish with poor tactics. Now if they had set the platform for attack with a few more drives up the middle with their powerful forwards instead of those too deep kicks, the Boks might have turned around at halftime with a good lead and the Irish under the pump instead of the other way round.

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    November 13, 2017 at 5:06 am

    @Welshbok die Brandwag: They were

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    November 13, 2017 at 6:50 am

    Coetzee have always defended his players who have never won a game against a team ranked higher than them in his tenure.

    Those players he defends are not good enough neither is he

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    November 13, 2017 at 10:37 am

    There are more games to come on this tour. France Italy & Wales I believe.
    This Ireland performance has given PLENTY cause for those losers at SARU to start sharpening knives for use on THEMSELVES post tour & the cancerous lesion on display in SA colors!
    WTF ! This team looked prepared to enter an opium den NOT a TEST MATCH !
    Time for fixing has past. Now is time for RETRIBUTION.

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    November 13, 2017 at 10:39 am

    Eben Etzebeth should refuse captaincy if given next game.
    Obvious that dog won’t hunt with a C on his shirt

  15. DavidS


    November 13, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    For a change I agree.
    If one had to go position to position you would HAVE to say that pretty much the none of the current Boks could challenge any of the class of 2007 – 2009

    None of them.

    MAYBE Jaco Kriel could get a bench as a utility loose forward but in truth… none.

  16. Bekke


    November 13, 2017 at 3:30 pm

    Remember last year this time? The fucktard juat played exactly the same team the next weekend.


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