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With the June test series against England getting closer maybe it is a good idea to start looking at who we think should make the cut for that all important first test.

Rassie Erasmus said that the Wales test will be picked from players that will not be playing in the first test the following week against England so when we look at this test keep that in mind.

I am a sucker but an old sucker so you will not get a team from me, we will put it to you to pick a Ruggaworld team each week as we get to that first test.

On a Thursday we will announce our team which was selected by you all.

So for the England first test I have only two players that are at this stage my automatic selection, you fill in the blanks….

Springbok Team England Test:

15. Warrick Gelant

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2. Malcolm Marx

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Let’s keep in mind that we only pick players that are fit and playing at the moment.

We will have some spot prizes each month for all that have participate.

 

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Better known as Bunny, Took over after Pissant went over to the "Dark Side"

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  1. 1. Steven Kitshoff
    2. Malcolm Marx
    3. Vincent Koch
    4. Lood de Jager
    5. Pieter Steff du Toit
    6.Kwagga Smith
    7. Duane Vermeulen
    8. Warren Whitely

    9. Faf de Klerk
    10. Handre Pollard
    12. Jan Serfontein
    13. Frans Steyn

    11. Aphiwe Dyantyi
    14. Ruan Combrinck
    15. Warrick Gelant

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  2. I would have WLR back starting at 15, particularly after his season in the North this year. Gelant can first go to the US for the Welsh game first.

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  3. Jeez, I’m going to limit myself to superrugby.

    1. Ginger
    2. Marx
    3. Nyakane
    4. Mosterd
    5. Lood
    6. Marco van Staden
    7. JLDP
    8. WW
    9. White (or wright, reserve scrummie of the sharks)
    10. Pollard
    11. Dyanti
    12. Andre Esterhuyzen
    13. Kriel
    14. Combrinck
    15 Gelant

    This team will probably change next week, as I wouldn’t have considered Gelant last week, nor Nyakane, but both are really gaining some form. We need some proper 4 locks and scrumhalves

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  4. And proper 6 flanks, really both standout 6’s ply for the Bulls, as Kolisi is playing poor, ditto Kwagga and Sharks 6.

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  5. Luigat Kolisi should not even be allowed to carry the kicking-tee – as he will be missing when a farken kick is taken! But you cannot exclude PsdT (even if I dislike him, as he seems a bit too dof for line-out calls). Based on the last 2 games he is certainly a better 7 than the over-rated JldP.
    And no way we can push that team into any competition in Saf Africa in 2018 – unfortunately Ginger Ninja does not qualify for any quota. So unless we draft Paige in again, we need a few alternatives like Oupa, De Allende, Jantjes, Beast, Am, Rhule to make up the numbers.

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  6. Yster is a must, without him Boks might lose. With him I go 3-0 whitewash to Bokke.

    1. Beast / Kitshoff
    2. Marx
    3. Louw
    4. Etsebeth
    5. PSDT
    6. Kwagga
    7. JLDP
    8. Whitely

    9. Faf
    10. Goosen
    11. Aphiwe
    12. Serfontein
    13. RjvR
    14. Combrink/JP
    15. Gelant

    If Boks win first 2 test, start blooding willemse at 10 with Goosen leading up to TEC.

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  7. Etsebeth hasn’t played all year, ditto Goosen, RjvR has looked really bad, same goes for Kwagga, jeez and beast hasn’t really played either. At the moment he struggles to reach the field without injuring himself. Willemse should play junior World Cup, needs to learn that at senior level he can’t run through the entire team.

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  8. @cab: Hi Cab, Lood is playing some great rugby at the moment – back to his best under Mitchell. I like his work-rate and aggro. Etzebeth unfortunately has gone downwards under Afkop Fleck and Clueless AC, and only has a one-dimensional game from flyhalve – maybe having him on the bench will give a clear message that we cannot tolerate white passengers.
    @ Aldo: No idea why Rassie came back to take this job! Maybe his family really hated Ireland. Would be interesting to see how he balances all the different issues and still perform – at least an improvement from AC should be easy!

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  9. Hey Bekke – yes Lood is looking v good under Mitchell but need someone we know is going to get stuck into the tight play versus England, esp if we go for the lighter kwagga/kolisi and whitekey in same backrow. I hope etsebeth is ready otherwise they gotta look at a proper no 4 like R. Botha. Lood is not a 4 for me at all but others may disagree.

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  10. @cab: Agree – 5 should be either PsdT or Lood- and I would go for Lood. In which case PsdT should be considered either as 7 or bench (for 5 or 7).

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  11. I am still a Mostert fan at lock

    10 I also still have Jantjies for now with Pollard

    Midfield I would like to see Am somewhere in thin there

    Wings Combrinck and Aphiwe

    I know people will not agree but I am with Faf or Pienaar at 9

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  12. @Jacques:

    RP should have been there the last two years whilst they needed some experience… much like many others.

    This team is too hard to pick not knowing which OS players are being watched, what the required test cap numbers for them now is and what quotas are needed. I am hazarding a guess on the latter… that anything less than 5 starting and 2 on the bench is going to cause outrage which makes it extremely difficult all up including injuries.

    @Aldo:

    Beast had a good tour which is a positive as he is going to need to start at the very least for a quarter. No way Nyanke is a better TH than Louw, Koche and a few others… similarly in his preferred position of LH… no way is he better than Kitschhoff, Dylan Smith, Schoeman and the list goes on.

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  13. @bryce_in_oz: he isn’t based on the season but he had a really good game over the weekend. Scrummed really well, passed like a flyhalf, stole ball like an openside flanker, defended really well. Like I said, I’m just going to base my picks on superrugby for now, because I don’t know who is allowed and who not from overseas, and I’ll change it weekly based on performance

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  14. Also, if I were Rassie, I’d convince Strauss to make a comeback for bench spot. He is far better at the moment than anyone else after Marx. Still don’t really like Strauss, but he seems to be playing with renewed vigor

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  15. @bryce_in_oz: I saw Rassie saying he is going to go with experience for the first test. I do not think he will pick a total new squad up first…. He will still have to motivate if he pick a overseas player and me think it will be one or two at this stage where he has serious problems.

    One of those problems we have is at 9. Faf have been playing brilliant this year so he should be considered as well.

    At 9 for me it all depends how dominated the pack are. Not many 9’s have been good with a pack that struggled. Faf is great with a pack going forward but struggled with one gong back and that the reason he struggled at Bok level in the last few he played.

    I am on the same thought with Cronje. Have not seen any SA 9’s that have shown any signs of being good enough at Bok level.

    I am going at this stage with players which will form a team and not players who looks good.

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  16. @Aldo:

    Actually agree with you on Strauss. And with one of his core hooker skills of lineout throwing, he outshines Marx by a mile.

    Not sold on players returning from extended injury lay-offs yet. They must get a stretch of games under their belts before they should be considered. This includes Combrinck for me, he has not looked like the Ruan of old playing so far this year, in fact, the young new Lions wings have looked miles better at this stage. Ruan is very, very good when he is on song, so give him the opportunity to get there.

    At fullback I’ll go with Jacques’ suggestion of Gelant as he does look at the moment.

    Seeing as Swys will be involved with the Bok coaching team in June, I would stick with Jantjies at flyhalf. He has performed under Swys for the past few seasons, so give him the opportunity to show what he can do in the Bok jersey. Pollard on the bench.

    At centre I would go with the Sharks combination (Esterhuizen and Am) as they look really good as a combination. I would prefer to pick a combination at this stage, rather than individuals.

    Scrumhalf is a huge problem for me, and I honestly have no idea who to go for. Let’s see how the Lions scrumhalves go on their tour and maybe stick with one of them as partner to Jantjies and Whiteley.

    Loose forwards will be a headache. This is probably where Rassie will have to “make up numbers” so Kolisi will be included even though he has been out of sorts the past few games. Whiteley will be my number 8 if he looks good on tour, with the likes of Du Preez at 7. Would have loved to get someone like Marcell Coetzee back in the mix, but I believe he is recovering from a longterm injury?

    Locks is difficult, we have some guys looking really good so far, the Bulls locks, Botha from the Sharks, Mostert from the Lions and Pieter-Steph all could walk into the team, no problem. Etsebeth will be lumped with other recovering injured.

    Props will be picked from Beast, Nyakane, Louw and Kitshoff, with the Lions props bubbling under. Again, none of these guys will let the side down I believe.

    Hookers will be Marx / Strauss with Marx my starter.

    Looking at this lot, it won’t be difficult to pick a starting team with 5 players of colour. Include any combination of the following in the starting team: Gelant, Dyantyi, Am, Jantjies, Kolisi, Nyakane, Beast.

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  17. @Craven: ” Looking at this lot, it won’t be difficult to pick a starting team with 5 players of colour. Include any combination of the following in the starting team: Gelant, Dyantyi, Am, Jantjies, Kolisi, Nyakane, Beast.”

    That is our biggest single problem which we all have to face that we need to get to that 50% as soon as possible.

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  18. Bryce & Bunny’s leanings toward the Messerschmitt Willie Leroux – at this time – ” The Prodigal Son ” of SA Rugby should come as NO surpeise to anyone.
    However the inclusion of ” The Sun King ” is a reach in practical terms for the upcoming tests.
    I see a better chance of MWLR inclusion in the SA side when they play for all the marbles in The WORLD CUP.
    For now Rassie can experiment with ” lesser thans” as he’s got a lotta rope to play with before the howls for his hanging begin.
    Only when everything is at stake will it be kosher to bring on an over seas back line player with a melanin deficit to come & save the day – even the Leonardo da Vinci of Rugby Union as MWLR no doubt is…..
    IF you’ve been watching his ” water into wine ” performances with Wasps in the land where the weather is so lousy the sun doesn’t want to shine.
    FYI – MWLR doesn’t have to play another game in the green & gold for him to achieve his purpose for all of us.
    All you have to do – in a world awash in recalling the the “better times ” of the past is to realize & be thankful that you live in THIS precious present, where you can see the linking artistry of the Sun King in REAL TIME while simultaneously being sovereign outside of a nation or banker state via Bitcoin.
    Call it Tao te Ching or just straight up Bitchin. I’m loving it & hope you all do too.
    Namaste !

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  19. You want to make the Boks great again and have NZ pay for it?

    Pick this team.
    Ruck inspector: Mueller.
    Enforcer: Cohen
    Toadie: Hannity
    Wife: Ivanka
    Girlfriend: Jarred
    Showpony: Comey
    Referee: Putin
    Busdriver: Don jnr
    Hooker: Stormy

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  20. Nee dankie

    Props: Just the WP props. Louw, Kitshoff and Koch. Maybe one of the Lions guys?
    Hooker: Strauss and Marx
    Locks: Pieter-Steph, Ruan Botha, Lood De Jager Franco Mostert
    Loose forwards: Warren Whiteley, Jean-Luc Du Preez, Phillip Van Der Walt, Marnus Schoeman, Duane Vermeulen,
    Scrumhalves: Faf De Klerk and Ruan Pienaar
    Flyhalves: Jantjes and Pollard
    Centers: Jan Serfontein, Frans Steyn and nobody else
    Wings: Dyanti, Combrinck, Travis Ishmael, Lukanyo Am,
    Full backs: Willie Le Roux… seriously not Gelant

    Players whom I am amazed to see named

    Jesse Kriel: I seriously wonder if this guy knows what game he is playing sometimes.
    Kwagga: His big thing was against the All Blacks last year… but he has done fokkol in SR
    Gelant: Watching him get outrun by an Australian lock for speed… ja… no… liewer nie.

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  21. @DavidS:

    “Jesse Kriel: I seriously wonder if this guy knows what game he is playing sometimes.”

    LOL, I sometimes wonder if I am missing something with this guy that is actually glaringly obvious, as we have now had two Bok coaches who kept picking him over other more deserving (in my opinion) outside centres currently playing in SA.

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  22. Disagree On Kriel – he’s fast and strong, and under Mitchell he’s scored and setup some v good tries. He wouldn’t disgrace any test side. But there’s some v stuff competition at centre for SA.

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  23. Ugh, I’m going with cab on this one. Kriel the last two years have been poor. This year he has been a standout player in almost every game. His defense has improved a lot, his runs straight not like a crab anymore and he has learnt to pass, a big issue of his in the past. On current form it should be either him or Am of the outside centers we have playing Superrugby. As I’ve said I’m only working on Superrugby performances as I have no clue what the rules are in picking overseas players. It seems like Rassie will be allowed players below the 30 cap rule but I am not sure.

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  24. @Aldo:

    We all know that test rugby is a totally different beast all together.

    Jesse Kriel kind of reminds me of Wynand Olivier, in that he was hands down one the best centres in the whole super rugby competition year in and year out, but the moment he put on a bok Jersey, he just consistently went tits up, every single time.

    When we are looking for test centres, no matter how rubbish Frans Steyn, Jacques Fourie and Jean de Villiers were in SuperRugby, they always found a way to play like champs in their bok jerseys. The same with guys like JP Pietersen, Juan Smith, Schalk.

    Jesse Kriel doesn’t have that quality.

    I still maintain, Frans Steyn and Jan Serfontein won’t let the boks down, and I’m afraid, DDA and Jesse Kriel absolutely will.

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  25. I have not watched many (any?) Kings of Cheetah games – anybody from there that could be considered for Boks? I see Ox has been invited to the “indoctrination” camps.

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  26. @DavidS:

    I would add Esterhuizen to that list… maybe Am. Esterhuizen since coming back from Japan where he played 10 and 15 adds another kicking option to the backs both tactically and for the poles. Him and JLDP plus Cameron and Botha were the only positives from that game last year. Fuck knows why Mapimpi has been rested the last few games… perhaps thats telling in itself.

    @Timeo:

    Lol… Mueller couldnt find his own shadow let alone a hand at the bottom of the rucks.

    RP, Steyn, Koch, RP, Bismarck, Serfontein, WLR are the only OS players I would include in the squad… maybe JPP too. BDP still in the form of his life and would be a wrecking ball off the bench if needed.

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  27. @Craven: sO NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO THE bOKS?

    I am not really following the Pro 14… how has he been running?

    I kinda think that Cheetahs and Kings players of some quality should be trying their fucken level best to get SR contacts because nobody is watching Pro 14.

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